No not facts.
No good.
- Fakepartofme

FACTS!

One is a center / one is a winger... Matthews did not have his scoring winger show up at all last year..

WTF, do people understand the game at all.
- bixll

Marner playing with Tavares for a full season is the same as Matthews playing with (looks at line up card) Kapanen?

Interesting stat here. Last season Matthews scored 25 even strength goals. Marner scored 22 even strength goals. Matthews gets 58% OZ starts to Marner's 53%. Matthews 22 PP points, Marner 23 PP points. I'm not sure Mitch is only a PP guy any more than Matthews is.
- aminnes

i think your stat included empty net and sh.

AM had 23 goals 5v5 in 1020 TOI
Marner had 16 in 1212

or

1.35/60
.79/60

AM by a bunch

Interesting stat here. Last season Matthews scored 25 even strength goals. Marner scored 22 even strength goals. Matthews gets 58% OZ starts to Marner's 53%. Matthews 22 PP points, Marner 23 PP points. I'm not sure Mitch is only a PP guy any more than Matthews is.
- aminnes

So you are just going to ignore that Matthew played 15 less games?

It’s funny how you state OZ starts but don’t state QOC, QOT. If you are going to dive into these stats then do it right.

If offensive zone starts matter then so do the players he playing with and against.

i see. so melnyk is following the sabres model then.

i can't wait to see if GM b.tkcakuk can out gm GM jack echl.
- Tumbleweed

Exactly..



That's how you build a winner.

now do eichel
- Tumbleweed

I never said Eichel was the best player in the game. You said Matthews is.

Theres the difference.

As far as Risto, hes been terrible. So our GM went out, drafted Dahlin, traded for Montour, and traded for Miller from Vegas. All better than Risto. So losing him will only make the team better. We no longer need him. We needed a defensive upgrade. So we are going to lose Risto after adding Dahlin, Miller, and Montour.

Like the Leafs, you guys needed a defensive upgrade, so you let Gardiner walk and traded for Ceci.

i think your stat included empty net and sh.

AM had 23 goals 5v5 in 1020 TOI
Marner had 16 in 1212

or

1.35/60
.79/60

AM by a bunch
- senstroll

You aren’t allowed to do it like that.

Every season must be judged as if he played 82 games.

So you are just going to ignore that Matthew played 15 less games?

It’s funny how you state OZ starts but don’t state QOC, QOT. If you are going to dive into these stats then do it right.

If offensive zone starts matter then so do the players he playing with and against.
- Santo_44

Tough to score from the press box.

One is a center / one is a winger... Matthews did not have his scoring winger show up at all last year..

WTF, do people understand the game at all.
- bixll

But that is an argument from a place we don't know. If you're suggesting Nylander will send AMs numbers into the stratosphere that may well be, but we have no indicator that that is the case. If anything Nylander benefits most likely, no the other way around.

I never said Eichel was the best player in the game. You said Matthews is.

Theres the difference.

As far as Risto, hes been terrible. So our GM went out, drafted Dahlin, traded for Montour, and traded for Miller from Vegas. All better than Risto. So losing him will only make the team better. We no longer need him. We needed a defensive upgrade. So we are going to lose Risto after adding Dahlin, Miller, and Montour.

Like the Leafs, you guys needed a defensive upgrade, so you let Gardiner walk and traded for Ceci.
- RippedFuel

Good work! Keep it up.

You aren’t allowed to do it like that.

Every season must be judged as if he played 82 games.
- Santo_44

I just feel like putting things on the exact same field for reference...makes more sense

but thats just me

One is a center / one is a winger... Matthews did not have his scoring winger show up at all last year..

WTF, do people understand the game at all.
- bixll

Based on your posts......it seems like some dont.

But that is an argument from a place we don't know. If you're suggesting Nylander will send AMs numbers into the stratosphere that may well be, but we have no indicator that that is the case. If anything Nylander benefits most likely, no the other way around.
- aminnes

Yes we do.

You just chose not to research it because it go’s against your argument.

Good work! Keep it up.
- Santo_44

Itll be interesting to see who has the better year, Dahlin vs. Ceci.

A nice side chess match to keep an eye on.

I just feel like putting things on the exact same field for reference...makes more sense

but thats just me
- senstroll

I 100% agree.

It makes way too much sense to me.

Itll be interesting to see who has the better year, Dahlin vs. Ceci.

A nice side chess match to keep an eye on.
- RippedFuel

Awesome job.

No they arent.
Mm - leading scorer on the team 2 years in a row.
Leads the entire league in 5 on 5 primary assists
Marner plays a 200ft gam like a center
Kills penalties
Am - 0.95 ppg
Mm - 0.92 ppg
Am - avg goals per season - 39
Mm - avg goals per season - 24
Am - avg assist per season- 32
Mm - avg assist per season- 53
Am - total pts - 211
Mm - total pts - 229
Am - Toi/g - 18
Mm - Toi/g - 17

Yup extremely far off
- Fakepartofme

marner really shouldn't even get echl money. ppg.

matthews/marner/echl
Year 1: 0.84/ ohl/ 0.69
Year 2: 1.02/ 0.79/ 0.93
Year 3: 1.07/ 0.84/ 0.96
Year 4: x/ 1.15/ 1.06

You aren’t allowed to do it like that.

Every season must be judged as if he played 82 games.
- Santo_44

Or you do the average of three seasons they played.
Matthews, great scorer and player
Marner, great playmaker and player.
Am is the better scorer no doubt.
But overall, a case could be made that marner isnt thst far off as a player.
Which is what his agent is doing.

I never said Eichel was the best player in the game. You said Matthews is.

Theres the difference.

As far as Risto, hes been terrible. So our GM went out, drafted Dahlin, traded for Montour, and traded for Miller from Vegas. All better than Risto. So losing him will only make the team better. We no longer need him. We needed a defensive upgrade. So we are going to lose Risto after adding Dahlin, Miller, and Montour.

Like the Leafs, you guys needed a defensive upgrade, so you let Gardiner walk and traded for Ceci.
- RippedFuel

you think miller and montour are

i think your stat included empty net and sh.

AM had 23 goals 5v5 in 1020 TOI
Marner had 16 in 1212

or

1.35/60
.79/60

AM by a bunch
- senstroll

Wha???
Unless your saying Marner scored 6 empty netters? I think he had a couple. I also remember Matthews tapping in a number of wide open nets. At that point we're getting very semantic. One guy had 22, the other 25. PP wise they are very similar, and of course Matthews missed time. But I thought we weren't allowed to talk about that.
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/m/matthau01.html
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/m/marnemi01.html

Yes we do.

You just chose not to research it because it go’s against your argument.
- Santo_44

Show me.

i think your stat included empty net and sh.

AM had 23 goals 5v5 in 1020 TOI
Marner had 16 in 1212

or

1.35/60
.79/60

AM by a bunch
- senstroll

Yup, already pointed out that Matthews is much better in goal scoring. no one is arguing that.

Tough to score from the press box.
- RippedFuel

what about from here?

Or you do the average of three seasons they played.
Matthews, great scorer and player
Marner, great playmaker and player.
Am is the better scorer no doubt.
But overall, a case could be made that marner isnt thst far off as a player.
Which is what his agent is doing.
- Fakepartofme

I’m just saying when you dig deep into the stats he isn’t that close.

And when millions of dollars are involved you go as deep as you can go into the stats.

Wha???
Unless your saying Marner scored 6 empty netters? I think he had a couple. I also remember Matthews tapping in a number of wide open nets. At that point we're getting very semantic. One guy had 22, the other 25. PP wise they are very similar, and of course Matthews missed time. But I thought we weren't allowed to talk about that.
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/m/matthau01.html
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/m/marnemi01.html
- aminnes

You still don’t get it.