I just don't believe this at all.

I think its clear.

I also think its insane that we can't involve seasons 1 and 2 when comparing these two. Matthews was insanely better in those seasons.
- Santo_44

Thats ok.
This isnt about what you believe....or I believe.
Its about the stats.
My earlier post was an average of their first 3 years in the NHL.....it included those years.
The years when AM had willie on his wing.....and marner was moved around

Anywho, its easy to see what his agent will be arguing. Marner just has to realize if he wants to win with the leafs....he'll need to take a team friendly deal.
If not and he wants to hold out.....then trade him.

I just don't believe this at all.

I think its clear.

I also think its insane that we can't involve seasons 1 and 2 when comparing these two. Matthews was insanely better in those seasons.
- Santo_44

2.59 p/60 2.38 p/60

Not real far off, I wouldnt pay him Matthews money but I can see why they’re arguing, why wouldn’t they. Also I wouldn’t have payed Matthews that money over 5 years either 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yes. He wants what Matthews got. Maybe settles for a smidgen less, but at least 11.
- aminnes

I agree that is what he will ask for, they will deal him, Baptiste will step in and by game 40 itll be...mitch who??

He lead his team for 2 years straight in scoring within 3 years of being drafted.
- Fakepartofme

So, we are just ignoring that Matthews missed 20 games due to injury and finished with 63 points.
Whereas, Marner finished with 69 points but played in all 82 games?

We’ll be fine, even if Marner misses a month. We should be able to coast into the playoffs with all our awesomeness, unless our d play like school kids in our own zone.

We’ll find out soon enough.
- Garnie

I think it ill be a struggle to make the playoffs for the Leafs this season with Marner all year. If he pulls a Nylander, things could get very ugly.

Oh ok, I thought you were saying Matthews only plays like on half the ice.

Matthews is better defensively than Marner is though.
- PatC80

Nope, wasnt suggesting that at all.
Just that IMO marner plays well defensively and does play a style similar to a top center at times.

I'm sure it is, keep telling yourself that bud!
- Lucas.Neilson

The guy is just trying to get all our goats, tell him to giddy up little pony.

Montour is +7 for his career
Miller is -4


Barrie is +1
Ceci is -60


Ill just leave that right here...
- RippedFuel

hehe

Nope, wasnt suggesting that at all.
Just that IMO marner plays well defensively and does play a style similar to a top center at times.
- Fakepartofme

Can we agree to disagree? It's just easier

Both Matthew's and Marner are awesome and both are Leafs. Good times.

Connor Brown. Toronto area guy traded to the Sens....I feel for him...

- Garnie

my Garnie signal worked

Both Matthew's and Marner are awesome and both are Leafs. Good times.

Connor Brown. Toronto area guy traded to the Sens....I feel for him...
- systemtool

I like Brown. I was sad they had to 'sweeten' the deal to get Cody (frank)ing Ceci.

hehe
- senstroll

Don't laugh, I brought up how bad OEL is, with his career -89. It proves he's an even worse defenseman than Ceci

Leafs should have given Matthew's the C and used that as some sort of leverage over Marner.

I like Brown. I was sad they had to 'sweeten' the deal to get Cody (frank)ing Ceci.
- aminnes

Samesies

But having Spezza is kinda cool. An ex Sen, Toronto area guy. My expectations are super low but still love the signing.

So, we are just ignoring that Matthews missed 20 games due to injury and finished with 63 points.
Whereas, Marner finished with 69 points but played in all 82 games?
- PatC80

nope.
Jesus.
That's why they are career averages that I posted.
AM played with willie for two years while marner was centered by Bozak and spent time on the 4th line.

But again, Im not saying marner is the same as AM. Just saying his agent has the stats to argue he isnt that far back from AM outside of burying the puck.

my Garnie signal worked
- senstroll

2.59 p/60 2.38 p/60

Not real far off, I wouldnt pay him Matthews money but I can see why they’re arguing, why wouldn’t they. Also I wouldn’t have payed Matthews that money over 5 years either 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Garnie

Agreed.

I like Brown. I was sad they had to 'sweeten' the deal to get Cody (frank)ing Ceci.
- aminnes

Agreed. But defensemen like Ceci dont come along too often. You gotta strike while you bave the chance

my Garnie signal worked
- senstroll

That's amazing... Garnie can see your farts?

Don't laugh, I brought up how bad OEL is, with his career -89. It proves he's an even worse defenseman than Ceci
- PatC80

Jake Gardiner is a +9

I think it ill be a struggle to make the playoffs for the Leafs this season with Marner all year. If he pulls a Nylander, things could get very ugly.
- aminnes

It would be funny ( sad deep inside ) after all the rah rah we da best Dubas da best was slung by a few in here.

Agreed. But defensemen like Ceci dont come along too often. You gotta strike while you bave the chance
- RippedFuel

To get rid of Zaistevs contract? Agreed.

Montour is +7 for his career
Miller is -4


Barrie is +1
Ceci is -60


Ill just leave that right here...
- RippedFuel

+/- ? I think we know all we need to know about you. Are you going to tell us about the one time they said "we love buffalo" to the press next?

Samesies

But having Spezza is kinda cool. An ex Sen, Toronto area guy. My expectations are super low but still love the signing.
- systemtool