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Danny Bomber
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.01.2017

Aug 17 @ 12:30 AM ET
As one of the four horseman of team whiner, I for one am happy Benji has been given a vote of confidence by ownership. Not because I think he is the best guy for the job, but because I hate the idea of Benning approaching the trade deadline with personal uncertainty.
- 1970vintage

VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Aug 17 @ 1:36 AM ET
Playoffs!
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Aug 17 @ 1:52 AM ET
Within 2 years OJ, Tryamken, Hoglander, Podkolzen and Woo will be knocking down the door for a roster spot. Not to mention guys like Lind, Lockwood, Rathbone and Madden will be in the thick of it. That's at least 8 more guys competing.

Since so many Canuck prospects don't play in the AHL its not as easy to assess the number of guys ready to push for a spot. The ones ready to leave their leagues just show up for main camp and then get the attention on what they can do.

- NuckUp

The 1st 5 will be challenging for a spot. The next 4 I doubt will ever...rathbone maaayyyybe
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Aug 17 @ 2:20 AM ET
The 1st 5 will be challenging for a spot. The next 4 I doubt will ever...rathbone maaayyyybe
- SMBDragon


The first 5 are likely to get a spot to work in small contracts when the core has been given big ones. The next group will be more pressure in camp competition and likely go to AHL for injury call up.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Aug 17 @ 2:53 AM ET
The first 5 are likely to get a spot to work in small contracts when the core has been given big ones. The next group will be more pressure in camp competition and likely go to AHL for injury call up.
- NuckUp

Theres players in utica far ahead of those 4, especially at C. Less for D, but still biega may be there and sautner is pretty much nhl ready
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 17 @ 3:43 AM ET
Within 2 years OJ, Tryamken, Hoglander, Podkolzen and Woo will be knocking down the door for a roster spot. Not to mention guys like Lind, Lockwood, Rathbone and Madden will be in the thick of it. That's at least 8 more guys competing.

Since so many Canuck prospects don't play in the AHL its not as easy to assess the number of guys ready to push for a spot. The ones ready to leave their leagues just show up for main camp and then get the attention on what they can do.

- NuckUp


Of those 9...

AHL 2
SHL 1
KHL 2
NCAA 3
1 ready for Utica

A lot of picks that Utica will hardly see for awhile. Good & bad mostly good as far as sliding ELC’s. Hard to judge progress & control of development. With maybe only OJ up for a promotion it will be a time for patience. Short term vets contracts will time out pretty good.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Aug 17 @ 7:32 AM ET
Rosen is screwed behind that o-line
- Nucker101

YES,

Tunsil will help but the o-line is bad.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:27 AM ET
Lets face it, the club needs some stability moving into the 50th season and having a GM on the final year of his deal there doesn't look great lol
- LordHumungous

That's not a good enough reason to keep a guy destroying the cap for years to come
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 17 @ 10:27 AM ET
Burrows was a Moose find who signed during Nonis. No Burke involved.
- boonerbuck

Ya that's what I thought. Not sure I would include Bieksa as a 'core' guy but close lol.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 17 @ 10:31 AM ET
...but with someone or someones better we win the cup no?


Kidding aside, if they hired Quenville instead of AV,,, we would have won in my opinion.

- boonerbuck

Hard to say but probably correct. AV was outcoached by Julien in the final to some extent. Relying on the PP too much and telling Torres, Lapierre and Bieksa to stand down vs Thornton and Lucic' antics...so many things. Plus Lou choked hard in BOS and AV refused to start Schneider in GM 6. Shoulda woulda coulda...but those Gillis acquisitions were key...whether we liked him or not.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 17 @ 10:32 AM ET
That's not a good enough reason to keep a guy destroying the cap for years to come
- RogerRoeper

lol a Leafs fan commenting on cap issues...

Bye champ.

Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Aug 17 @ 10:37 AM ET
That's not a good enough reason to keep a guy destroying the cap for years to come
- RogerRoeper


but let me guess, you think Dubas is a awesome.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:39 AM ET
but let me guess, you think Dubas is a awesome.
- Codes1087


Dubas has done a far better job at managing his cap.

When Auston Matthews gets named as your worst contract, you are in pretty good shape. LOL

Never, ever overpay for bottom 6 guys. That kills your cap.

Dubas has had a better summer than any GM.

Dubas signs Jason Spezza at 700K for the 4th line, Benning gives Jay Beagle 4 years at 3 million per.

Pay your stars, cheap-out on supporting guys.

Canucks have a GM giving out huge contracts to non-core players before he signs his most important young stars. It's so stupid.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Aug 17 @ 10:43 AM ET
Dubas has done a far better job at managing his cap.

When Auston Matthews gets named as your worst contract, you are in pretty good shape. LOL

Never, ever overpay for bottom 6 guys. That kills your cap.

Dubas has had a better summer than any GM.

Dubas signs Jason Spezza at 700K for the 4th line, Benning gives Jay Beagle 4 years at 3 million per.

Pay your stars, cheap-out on supporting guys

- RogerRoeper


your "worst" contract just cost you a 1st round pick, and your whole fanbase has been complaining about Nylander's contract since the day he signed it.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:44 AM ET
your "worst" contract just cost you a 1st round pick, and your whole fanbase has been complaining about Nylander's contract since the day he signed it.
- Codes1087


That deal was signed by LOU. Don't blame Dubas for that. Lou is like a Benning, he overpays supporting guys. The 2 worst contracts that were moved by Dubas were signed by Lou. And Lou has done it again this summer with the Islanders.

Nylander's deal is fine. Many Leaf fans think he'll have a career year.

Keep in mind, by age 21 Nylander had 2 61 point seasons. players are now getting 6-7.15 per for 1 single career 50 point season.

You honestly think it's wise spending so much on average players?
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Aug 17 @ 10:47 AM ET
That deal was signed by LOU. Don't blame Dubas for that.

Nylander's deal is fine. Many Leaf fans think he'll have a career year.

- RogerRoeper


Was Dubas not around for any of the Lou era?

Again, you talking about Benning's cap situation while you have a prolific "star" who has yet to sign, you paid a 1st round pick for Muzzin (debateble whether hes a top pairing guy) and a 1st round pick to shed a bad 1 year contract. You can tell me all you want that your players signed to bad contracts are still decent players, but the argument that Dubas is better than Benning at managing a cap is not going to bode well here, or anywhere really.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:49 AM ET
Was Dubas not around for any of the Lou era?

Again, you talking about Benning's cap situation while you have a prolific "star" who has yet to sign, you paid a 1st round pick for Muzzin (debateble whether hes a top pairing guy) and a 1st round pick to shed a bad 1 year contract. You can tell me all you want that your players signed to bad contracts are still decent players, but the argument that Dubas is better than Benning at managing a cap is not going to bode well here, or anywhere really.

- Codes1087


He was but he wasn't calling the shots.

There's no way Dubas would have done those deals given how he's operating the team right now. He refuses to overspend for supporting guys.

News flash, Benning currently has a prolific star not signed just like Dubas does. LOL You do know that, right? I realize Marner gets talked about a lot, but his situation is no more dire than Canucks with Boeser

Dubas has signed his core to long term deals. Benning has married himself to average players at long-term deals that can't be moved.

You'd have to be insane to think Canucks' cap is in better shape.. You just signed an at best, aging #4 D to a bigger deal than Morgan Rielly

And that price to get JT Miller with 1 50 point season and a 5.25 cap hit and you're complaining about Nylander's deal?
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 17 @ 10:52 AM ET
Dubas has done a far better job at managing his cap.

When Auston Matthews gets named as your worst contract, you are in pretty good shape. LOL

Never, ever overpay for bottom 6 guys. That kills your cap.

Dubas has had a better summer than any GM.

Dubas signs Jason Spezza at 700K for the 4th line, Benning gives Jay Beagle 4 years at 3 million per.

Pay your stars, cheap-out on supporting guys.

Canucks have a GM giving out huge contracts to non-core players before he signs his most important young stars. It's so stupid.

- RogerRoeper


And you wonder why the leafs never see the second round.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Aug 17 @ 10:52 AM ET
He was but he wasn't calling the shots.

There's no way Dubas would have done those deals given how he's operating the team right now. He refuses to overspend for supporting guys.

News flash, Benning currently has a prolific star not signed just like Dubas does. LOL You do know that, right? I realize Marner egts talked about a lot, but his situation is no more dire than Canucks with Boeser

Dubas has signed his core to long term deals. Benning has married himself to average players at long-term deals that can't be moved.

- RogerRoeper


Benning has cap to sign Boeser. A little bit of a difference.

Also, aside from Myers, please provide examples relative to their cap hits that fit this.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:53 AM ET
And you wonder why the leafs never see the second round.
- LordHumungous


So the key to success is spending millions on your 4th line. LOL

Leafs had the most 20 goal scorers of any NHL team last season, so your attempted point at lacking "Depth" is a disaster
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:53 AM ET
Benning has cap to sign Boeser. A little bit of a difference.

Also, aside from Myers, please provide examples relative to their cap hits that fit this.

- Codes1087

So does Dubas and it's arguable Benning has the cap. Depends on the #.

Eriksson, Beagle, Miller, Myers my god so much wasted cap.

I get it though our franchise 22 year-old C makes 11.6 oh my god!
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 17 @ 10:54 AM ET
So the key to success is spending millions on your 4th line. LOL
- RogerRoeper

it all balances out. You have so much cash tied up in three players (once marner signs) you are gonna be screwed for a loooong time. good luck.

lol
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:56 AM ET
it all balances out. You have so much cash tied up in three players (once marner signs) you are gonna be screwed for a loooong time. good luck.

lol

- LordHumungous


Leafs had the best depth of any team last season. Your point is terrible. Check out what team had the most 20 goal scorers, 40 point guys.

Leafs had very good players on their 3rd line that would have been high, even on contenders.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Aug 17 @ 10:57 AM ET
Leafs had the best depth of any team last season. Your point is terrible. Check out what team had the most 20 goal scorers, 40 point guys.

Leafs had very good players on their 3rd line that would have been high, even on contenders.

- RogerRoeper


those regular season achievements are what we are most envious of
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 17 @ 11:00 AM ET
Leafs had the best depth of any team last season. Your point is terrible. Check out what team had the most 20 goal scorers, 40 point guys.

Leafs had very good players on their 3rd line that would have been high, even on contenders.

- RogerRoeper

negative cap space an Marner unsigned...keep yapping bud...making yourself look great
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