You're comparing Gardiner with Trouba suddenbly? LOL.

He's not in Trouba's league and you know it. Gardiner can't even get a contract.
- RogerRoeper

I’d say Gardiner and Trouba are about equal, tbh.
Gardiner drives play a lot more, Trouba is slightly better at everything else

I think Laine will score 50+ next season.
- RogerRoeper

Laine for Marner

Laine for Marner
- K-man25

I would do this trade everyday of the week, twice on Sunday!

Laine for Marner
- K-man25

How quick can this get done?

I don't see Leafs losing any franchise pieces, do you? Losing Trouba is devestating.
- RogerRoeper

Jets have not lost any "franchise pieces" The main core of Buff, Wheels, Scheifs, Helle are all there. The extended core of Morrissey, Connor, Laine, Ehlers, are all still there. Trouba was their biggest loss, but it was wise to not commit that money to him. I would be more concerned if I were Toronto. Marner is a star that they can't afford, with Barrie, Muzzin possibly walking next offseason, and you rely WAY too much on Anderson every night. There are bigger issues in Leaf Land. Laine really hasn't been as valuable as you think. I hope they do a 2 year bridge, something under 6M AAV.

I’d say Gardiner and Trouba are about equal, tbh.
Gardiner drives play a lot more, Trouba is slightly better at everything else
- Rexypoo

lol. if a year-ago someone had suggested a trouba for gardiner trade as being about equal, they would have been laughed off this board.

Jets have not lost any "franchise pieces" The main core of Buff, Wheels, Scheifs, Helle are all there. The extended core of Morrissey, Connor, Laine, Ehlers, are all still there. Trouba was their biggest loss, but it was wise to not commit that money to him. I would be more concerned if I were Toronto. Marner is a star that they can't afford, with Barrie, Muzzin possibly walking next offseason, and you rely WAY too much on Anderson every night. There are bigger issues in Leaf Land. Laine really hasn't been as valuable as you think. I hope they do a 2 year bridge, something under 6M AAV.
- bikeguy99

jets d-core is thin after this offseason.

the guy who was 6th in nhl goal scoring over the last 3 years hasn't been that valuable .....makes sense.

lol. if a year-ago someone had suggested a trouba for gardiner trade as being about equal, they would have been laughed off this board.
- Tumbleweed

The point remains that Gardiner has been a number 2 or 3 D in toronto and Trouba was #2 or 3 in Winnipeg. Sorry to see him go but it had to be.

Myers and Chiarot are fairly easy to replace, Trouba is a bigger loss but not an unmanageable one.

The point remains that Gardiner has been a number 2 or 3 D in toronto and Trouba was #2 or 3 in Winnipeg. Sorry to see him go but it had to be.

Myers and Chiarot are fairly easy to replace, Trouba is a bigger loss but not an unmanageable one.
- 2.0

so the leafs defense is on par with the jets?

i agree that for this season they are on least on par. but nobody would have said that last year.

jets d-core is thin after this offseason.

the guy who was 6th in nhl goal scoring over the last 3 years hasn't been that valuable .....makes sense.
- Tumbleweed

11 of those goals came in one month (november) in wins over Florida, Vancouver and the near rock bottom St Louis Blues. At that time those teams were long odds to make the playoffs. He has arguably the league's best shot but rarely scores creative goals, quick/shifty goals or hard work garbage goals you might see from Ovechkin who scores in many ways. It's not clear if Laine will ever be a rounded goal scorer. He shows flashes of being a good passer.

His defensive play has been poor, doesn't enter the zone well, frequent giveaways, soft play along boards with the puck. Some of these things he will improve to an NHL level at. Overall the Jets have been losing more games due to his play than winning. He is not the only high end goal scorer on the team and in the short term (next 2-3 years) they won't deeply regret if he moves on due to contract impass.

so the leafs defense is on par with the jets?

i agree that for this season they are on least on par. but nobody would have said that last year.
- Tumbleweed

I would have said it after Muzzin was aquired. I like the depth on Jets defense better. Niku, Poolman, Beaulieu and now Pionk.

I would have said it after Muzzin was aquired. I like the depth on Jets defense better. Niku, Poolman, Beaulieu and now Pionk.
- 2.0

better than trouba, myers, charriott?

beauliau is 6/7. poink should be bottom pairing.

niku hasn't even proved he is legit bottom pairing.

poolman is an ahler.

11 of those goals came in one month (november) in wins over Florida, Vancouver and the near rock bottom St Louis Blues. At that time those teams were long odds to make the playoffs. He has arguably the league's best shot but rarely scores creative goals, quick/shifty goals or hard work garbage goals you might see from Ovechkin who scores in many ways. It's not clear if Laine will ever be a rounded goal scorer. He shows flashes of being a good passer.

His defensive play has been poor, doesn't enter the zone well, frequent giveaways, soft play along boards with the puck. Some of these things he will improve to an NHL level at. Overall the Jets have been losing more games due to his play than winning. He is not the only high end goal scorer on the team and in the short term (next 2-3 years) they won't deeply regret if he moves on due to contract impass.
- 2.0

You’re wrong, and obviously so. He lead the team in WAR literally the season before last

better than trouba, myers, charriott?

beauliau is 6/7. poink should be bottom pairing.

niku hasn't even proved he is legit bottom pairing.

poolman is an ahler.
- Tumbleweed

Niku was the best dman in the AHL for two seasons. He’s better than anyone we lost.

Poolman has strong numbers in a small sample size, but he can’t be worse than anyone we lost.

Try again.

Niku was the best dman in the AHL for two seasons. He’s better than anyone we lost.

Poolman has strong numbers in a small sample size, but he can’t be worse than anyone we lost.

Try again.
- Rexypoo

must be why niku tore the nhl last year. yep, definitely better than trouba and the rest.

yes, poolman is worse than myers and chariott.

You’re wrong, and obviously so. He lead the team in WAR literally the season before last
- Rexypoo

I would like to see the source for that WAR info. If so that is about the only stat that he lead the team in for 17/18. There is no excuse for his showing in 2019 and no improvement in any area of his play.

In 17/18 his xGF% was dead last on the team at 47.75% (corsicahockey), not sure how that translates to best WAR on the team.

I would like to see the source for that WAR info. If so that is about the only stat that he lead the team in for 17/18. There is no excuse for his showing in 2019 and no improvement in any area of his play.

In 17/18 his xGF% was dead last on the team at 47.75% (corsicahockey), not sure how that translates to best WAR on the team.
- 2.0

I also agree that Rexy always cherry-picks his stats so that he finds some obscure stat from one year and then bases his whole case on it. In actual fact Laine was dead last of Jets forwards last year in WAR and many other stats. In 2016 he was 3rd in WAR and tied with Ehlers for #1 in 2017-18. However that year he was 2.5 War which wouldn't even rank in the top 50 in the NHL. Bottom line though is that over three years his average is 1.5 which is nothing special at all. I think WAR is a rather useless stat anyways and has since been refined a lot over the years.

https://www.evolving-hockey.com/

That all being said, I think Laine is going to have a much better year this year. Not a tough prediction after his awful year last year though.

11 of those goals came in one month (november) in wins over Florida, Vancouver and the near rock bottom St Louis Blues. At that time those teams were long odds to make the playoffs. He has arguably the league's best shot but rarely scores creative goals, quick/shifty goals or hard work garbage goals you might see from Ovechkin who scores in many ways. It's not clear if Laine will ever be a rounded goal scorer. He shows flashes of being a good passer.

His defensive play has been poor, doesn't enter the zone well, frequent giveaways, soft play along boards with the puck. Some of these things he will improve to an NHL level at. Overall the Jets have been losing more games due to his play than winning. He is not the only high end goal scorer on the team and in the short term (next 2-3 years) they won't deeply regret if he moves on due to contract impass.
- 2.0

not number 6 last year.

6th most goals in the nhl over the last years.

while there is plenty of talent up front on the jets, unless you're the nucks, you just don't have several top 10 goal scorers on your team.

I also agree that Rexy always cherry-picks his stats so that he finds some obscure stat from one year and then bases his whole case on it. In actual fact Laine was dead last of Jets forwards last year in WAR and many other stats. In 2016 he was 3rd in WAR and tied with Ehlers for #1 in 2017-18. However that year he was 2.5 War which wouldn't even rank in the top 50 in the NHL. Bottom line though is that over three years his average is 1.5 which is nothing special at all. I think WAR is a rather useless stat anyways and has since been refined a lot over the years.

https://www.evolving-hockey.com/

That all being said, I think Laine is going to have a much better year this year. Not a tough prediction after his awful year last year though.
- jetsnation

even with a poopty last year, he's still top 5 in WAR on the jets overall over the last 3 years - at 4.5 for his career.

he had a career low shooting %. his positive WAR is completely driven by his offense/shooting %.

i think it would be a real mistake to trade him. too good at what he does best.

I would like to see the source for that WAR info. If so that is about the only stat that he lead the team in for 17/18. There is no excuse for his showing in 2019 and no improvement in any area of his play.

In 17/18 his xGF% was dead last on the team at 47.75% (corsicahockey), not sure how that translates to best WAR on the team.
- 2.0

A: just find WAR as a statistic, and look at the 17-18 Jets
B: every single player on the team (excluding Ehlers and Myers) saw a step back, some were even massive (Wheeler). So, you can level criticism at everyone for that.
C: xGF% doesn’t apply to Laine. He outscores it by miles. Use that for Lowry, Roslovic, and like Bryan Little. Not Mr. Slap Shot the musical.

must be why niku tore the nhl last year. yep, definitely better than trouba and the rest.

yes, poolman is worse than myers and chariott.
- Tumbleweed

A: he played almost exclusively with Chiarot, Kulikov, and Morrow, played both sides at random intervals, and sat for weeks at a time. He looked amazing with Trouba, so give him an NHL partner, some steady ice time, and see what happens.
B: No. lol

A: just find WAR as a statistic, and look at the 17-18 Jets
B: every single player on the team (excluding Ehlers and Myers) saw a step back, some were even massive (Wheeler). So, you can level criticism at everyone for that.
C: xGF% doesn’t apply to Laine. He outscores it by miles. Use that for Lowry, Roslovic, and like Bryan Little. Not Mr. Slap Shot the musical.
- Rexypoo

yep. xgf% has crosby going back to 100 pdo.

it doesn't work for top players.

even with a poopty last year, he's still top 5 in WAR on the jets overall over the last 3 years - at 4.5 for his career.

- Tumbleweed

He's an average of 1.5 for his career not 4.5.

He's an average of 1.5 for his career not 4.5.
- jetsnation

Selected 16-19, multiple.

237 games, gar 24, War 4.5.

11 of those goals came in one month (november) in wins over Florida, Vancouver and the near rock bottom St Louis Blues. At that time those teams were long odds to make the playoffs. He has arguably the league's best shot but rarely scores creative goals, quick/shifty goals or hard work garbage goals you might see from Ovechkin who scores in many ways. It's not clear if Laine will ever be a rounded goal scorer. He shows flashes of being a good passer.

His defensive play has been poor, doesn't enter the zone well, frequent giveaways, soft play along boards with the puck. Some of these things he will improve to an NHL level at. Overall the Jets have been losing more games due to his play than winning. He is not the only high end goal scorer on the team and in the short term (next 2-3 years) they won't deeply regret if he moves on due to contract impass.
- 2.0

You nailed it! Was it only 11 goals in November? Seemed like more but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Flack the WAR - our eyes tell us all we need to know.

We are desperately thin on "D" after the departures. What are we going to look like when Buff goes down (which will happen), although I do expect to see Niku step up this season? So then Niku, Morrissey and ? Pionk?

Would not Laine bring us a top pairing "d" and perhaps a young centre with potential - or vice versa? Our team would certainly look better then.

Will this season be Jack Roslovic's coming out party in the NHL - I'm thinking so. And hoping!