You nailed it! Was it only 11 goals in November? Seemed like more but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Flack the WAR - our eyes tell us all we need to know.

We are desperately thin on "D" after the departures. What are we going to look like when Buff goes down (which will happen), although I do expect to see Niku step up this season? So then Niku, Morrissey and ? Pionk?

Would not Laine bring us a top pairing "d" and perhaps a young centre with potential - or vice versa? Our team would certainly look better then.

Will this season be Jack Roslovic's coming out party in the NHL - I'm thinking so. And hoping!
- grahamzky

Your “our eyes tell us what we need” comment kind of invalidates you entirely. Our eyes tell us only what we’re looking directly at, or for, and is entirely subjective. The results are not. Be better.

Your “our eyes tell us what we need” comment kind of invalidates you entirely. Our eyes tell us only what we’re looking directly at, or for, and is entirely subjective. The results are not. Be better.
- Rexypoo

So what our eyes see are only a mirage? Really?

Doesn't that say it all? I've seen the results. Trust me!

Enjoy your say and day, Rexy, maybe the Jets will have a good day -
and sign Connor for eight years?

So what our eyes see are only a mirage? Really?

Doesn't that say it all? I've seen the results. Trust me!

Enjoy your say and day, Rexy, maybe the Jets will have a good day -
and sign Connor for eight years?
- grahamzky

You’ve seen what you think are results, yes.
Whether or not you are correct, or seeing even half of what’s going on, is very much up for debate

You’ve seen what you think are results, yes.
Whether or not you are correct, or seeing even half of what’s going on, is very much up for debate
- Rexypoo

Really I'd rather watch the games and form my opinion than completely focus on the stats as some seemingly do. And whether I'm right or not is, as you say, up for debate, same as you. If we all agreed, what would we discuss?

Rexy, I know you care about the Jets as much as I do, we just have different views at times. Is there anything wrong with that?

I know Chevy is busy with other issues, but Morrissey needs to be re-signed a.s.a.p. before we have another RFA situation. Just sayin'!

Phaneuf will be signed by the end of week I’m hearing.(E5) He’s excited to have the opportunity to change the dynamic in the Jets locker room and for the shot at first pairing minutes.

Phaneuf will be signed by the end of week I’m hearing.(E5) He’s excited to have the opportunity to change the dynamic in the Jets locker room and for the shot at first pairing minutes.
- DrunkenCanuck

Surprised by rumour out west that "neon Dion" is returning to the Leafs. Didn't think he liked it there last time. Hope he helps your team out.

Chris Johnston is maybe the worst professional hockey writer in the country.

Really I'd rather watch the games and form my opinion than completely focus on the stats as some seemingly do. And whether I'm right or not is, as you say, up for debate, same as you. If we all agreed, what would we discuss?

Rexy, I know you care about the Jets as much as I do, we just have different views at times. Is there anything wrong with that?

I know Chevy is busy with other issues, but Morrissey needs to be re-signed a.s.a.p. before we have another RFA situation. Just sayin'!
- grahamzky

I’m on the side of using my eyes to tell me why, and the numbers to tell me what.
I’m also aware that I can miss things, and can be swayed by bias. Therefore, numbers have more weight than my own observations as far as I’m concerned

Selected 16-19, multiple.

237 games, gar 24, War 4.5.
- Tumbleweed

Tumbleweed. your numbers are a total of each year combined and not an average. Laine's average over that time span is as I stated..... 1.5. Pretty miserable numbers and he only ranks 9th on the Jets over his career here.

You've got to imagine that the two camps are pretty far apart in the negotiations when Chevy will be arguing from a stats perspective that demonstrates very bad stats overall except for the GOALS stat (which mostly came from the PP ) while Laine can basically only argue that Goals are what matter.

Tumbleweed. your numbers are a total of each year combined and not an average. Laine's average over that time span is as I stated..... 1.5. Pretty miserable numbers and he only ranks 9th on the Jets over his career here.

You've got to imagine that the two camps are pretty far apart in the negotiations when Chevy will be arguing from a stats perspective that demonstrates very bad stats overall except for the GOALS stat (which mostly came from the PP ) while Laine can basically only argue that Goals are what matter.
- jetsnation

nation - how does Laine's WAR compare with other Jets core players over that time?

Tumbleweed. your numbers are a total of each year combined and not an average. Laine's average over that time span is as I stated..... 1.5. Pretty miserable numbers and he only ranks 9th on the Jets over his career here.

You've got to imagine that the two camps are pretty far apart in the negotiations when Chevy will be arguing from a stats perspective that demonstrates very bad stats overall except for the GOALS stat (which mostly came from the PP ) while Laine can basically only argue that Goals are what matter.
- jetsnation

Jets total WAR leaders, 16-19.

MARK.SCHEIFELE 7.8
NIKOLAJ.EHLERS 4.9
JOSH.MORRISSEY 4.6
MATHIEU.PERREAULT 4.5
PATRIK.LAINE 4.5
BLAKE.WHEELER 4.4
JACOB.TROUBA 4.3
ANDREW.COPP 4
ADAM.LOWRY 2.9
BRYAN.LITTLE 2.7

doing some looking into WAR... early in looks to me like one of those stats that weights other stats to create a conglomerate stat that is meant to tell a lot but somehow just muddies up the water. Early impression is that WAR for NHL is all over the place and needs some work before it has any useful value.

so the leafs defense is on par with the jets?

i agree that for this season they are on least on par. but nobody would have said that last year.
- Tumbleweed

Were the leafs not the second last in shots against per game, and dead last in high chance opportunities against? Why are we comparing D cores?

Jets total WAR leaders, 16-19.

MARK.SCHEIFELE 7.8
NIKOLAJ.EHLERS 4.9
JOSH.MORRISSEY 4.6
MATHIEU.PERREAULT 4.5
PATRIK.LAINE 4.5
BLAKE.WHEELER 4.4
JACOB.TROUBA 4.3
ANDREW.COPP 4
ADAM.LOWRY 2.9
BRYAN.LITTLE 2.7
- Tumbleweed

Laine has a pretty decent WAR. Wonder how that is possible given he was a -24 on a team that only had 2 minus players. Advance stats may make him look ok, but the naked eye, and opposition will tell you another. I would respect him as a 1-way player if he could generate his own opportunities such as a OV/Hall type scorer does. But he just sits at the top of the circle and waits. That is why he deserves a 2 year bridge under 7M AAV.

Were the leafs not the second last in shots against per game, and dead last in high chance opportunities against? Why are we comparing D cores?
- bikeguy99

because you guys lost your top 3 d-men in total ice-time from last year.

and replaced them with a with guys who have max career potential somewhere between #5 nhl dman and top pairing ahler.

Laine has a pretty decent WAR. Wonder how that is possible given he was a -24 on a team that only had 2 minus players. Advance stats may make him look ok, but the naked eye, and opposition will tell you another. I would respect him as a 1-way player if he could generate his own opportunities such as a OV/Hall type scorer does. But he just sits at the top of the circle and waits. That is why he deserves a 2 year bridge under 7M AAV.
- bikeguy99

he's more brett hull than ov/hall.

his shot makes up for a lot of short-comings.

Jets total WAR leaders, 16-19.

MARK.SCHEIFELE 7.8
NIKOLAJ.EHLERS 4.9
JOSH.MORRISSEY 4.6
MATHIEU.PERREAULT 4.5
PATRIK.LAINE 4.5
BLAKE.WHEELER 4.4
JACOB.TROUBA 4.3
ANDREW.COPP 4
ADAM.LOWRY 2.9
BRYAN.LITTLE 2.7
- Tumbleweed

These are the correct numbers for overall totals for the 3 seasons 2016-2019.

However they are not the average per year. As an example , Laine was a WAR of 2.5 in 2017 , 1.8 in 2018 and 0.2 in 2019 for a three year total of 4.5 but an average WAR of 1.5. As I said a WAR of 1.5 is nothing special at all.

I stand by these numbers as correct.

These are the correct numbers for overall totals for the 3 seasons 2016-2019.

However they are not the average per year. As an example , Laine was a WAR of 2.5 in 2017 , 1.8 in 2018 and 0.2 in 2019 for a three year total of 4.5 but an average WAR of 1.5. I stand by these numbers as correct.
- jetsnation

and wheeler and morrisey have the same 1.5 avg.

personally, i have use WAR type stat, i prefer to to look at GAR. same thing, but the scale shows a better impact imo.

and wheeler and morrisey have the same 1.5 avg.

personally, i have use WAR type stat, i prefer to to look at GAR. same thing, but the scale shows a better impact imo.
- Tumbleweed

GAR is better, I’ll agree with you on that, Mr. Weed

because you guys lost your top 3 d-men in total ice-time from last year.

and replaced them with a with guys who have max career potential somewhere between #5 nhl dman and top pairing ahler.
- Tumbleweed

Total ice time? Really? Then you guys are really going to miss Hainsey and we have got a great D in Pionk, cause you know.....total ice time

Total ice time? Really? Then you guys are really going to miss Hainsey and we have got a great D in Pionk, cause you know.....total ice time
- Ross77

the guys who played the most minutes last year won't be missed. got it.

poink is junk

the guys who played the most minutes last year won't be missed. got it.

poink is junk
- Tumbleweed

Not everyone in here shares my opinion but it’s; Trouba will be missed, Myers and Chairot will not.

I to am assuming Pionk will be junk but am hoping to be surprised.

I can't believe there are some Jets fans who are arguing Gardiner is as good as Trouba. LOL
I use to have to argue with Jets fans that Rielly was better than Trouba. How times have changed

I can't believe there are some Jets fans who are arguing Gardiner is as good as Trouba. LOL
I use to have to argue with Jets fans that Rielly was better than Trouba. How times have changed
- RogerRoeper

Let’s just keep the arguing to our group of forwards are better than your group of forwards and leave both our poopty D’s out of it.

I can't believe there are some Jets fans who are arguing Gardiner is as good as Trouba. LOL
I use to have to argue with Jets fans that Rielly was better than Trouba. How times have changed
- RogerRoeper

Roger - one fan argued Gardiner is as good as Trouba (and that Jets fan gave you reasons to make a case for it).

Third time around for you - Gardiner was leaf's #2 or 3 d, Trouba was Jets # 2or3 d and therefore comparable value to their respective teams.

There are question marks on the blueline of both leafs and Jets, of the two teams the Jets have more answers from depth to fill in the blanks left.