I bet he didn't know that was a cigarette in his hand also. He congratulated her on the Caps win so I am guessing he knew exactly who she was.
- VANTEL

well then, his wife will have some questions for him

I dont think DCT is wrong. I'm no scout, but from a few prospect guys I follow and who have done early prospect articles, it seems to be a deep draft
- Codes1087

I really try not to make any promises about a draft anymore.

I'm also a lot more selective in who's good and who's not.

Too many bust's over the years that made a draft a few positions deeper. You look back at many many drafts and there just isn't that much difference between them.

He probably didn't even know who she was
- Nucker101

As long as he kept his browser in incognito mode, he can definitely play dumb on that

I really try not to make any promises about a draft anymore.

I'm also a lot more selective in who's good and who's not.

Too many bust's over the years that made a draft a few positions deeper. You look back at many many drafts and there just isn't that much difference between them.
- manvanfan

That's sort of a pessimistic way of looking at it lol. If you can nab 2 NHL players from every draft, I think you have had a good draft. Canucks are now injecting those picks into the lineup, into the AHL system, and graduating to the show. I have always been vocal about retaining draft picks, obtaining when possible, and developing. I think the canucks are doing a great job. #5 ranked prospect cupboard might be a bit generous if you ask me, but we are starting to get some nice players from picks.

Tough to do when running for your life.
- VanHockeyGuy

He's a tackling dummy for 4 games for all I care. Honestly, I think the Dolphins will surprise a bit. They could start out hot (literally) with 3 of 4 at home even against tougher ranked competition. 90+ degrees is one hell of an environment to play in.

I always think actions speak louder than words. Everything he has done has been for the future good of this team. Mistakes will be made. Only Gorton and Dubas are immune.
- manvanfan

Bullpoop

Bullpoop
- golfingsince

People actually believe that. The Cult of Benning.

People actually believe that. The Cult of Benning.



- Danny Bomber

I'm fine if you want to defend the guy, but let's not get carried away. He's been sacrificing the future for the present since the day he got here. He's just had 6 years to build a young nucleus.

That's sort of a pessimistic way of looking at it lol. If you can nab 2 NHL players from every draft, I think you have had a good draft. Canucks are now injecting those picks into the lineup, into the AHL system, and graduating to the show. I have always been vocal about retaining draft picks, obtaining when possible, and developing. I think the canucks are doing a great job. #5 ranked prospect cupboard might be a bit generous if you ask me, but we are starting to get some nice players from picks.
- Codes1087

#5 in prospect rankings is probably right.

The point I was making is the difference of a deep draft to a regular draft to a poor draft will be in the end over a period of time probably .10 ppg per player.

There is just never nearly as many good NHL players as claimed at the beginning of each season before there draft year even starts. If you look back at most drafts the 20th best player in that draft is probably a 3rd liner or a fringe 2nd pairing defensemen. Yet every year there are 40-50 players that are going to be middle 6 or top 4 D or better. Just isn't the case.

I'm fine if you want to defend the guy, but let's not get carried away. He's been sacrificing the future for the present since the day he got here. He's just had 6 years to build a young nucleus.
- golfingsince

Precisely.

Bullpoop
- golfingsince

Don't get confused here Golfing. This isn't EA Sports.

I'm fine if you want to defend the guy, but let's not get carried away. He's been sacrificing the future for the present since the day he got here. He's just had 6 years to build a young nucleus.
- golfingsince

I guess if you want to be narrow minded and believe that there's only a single way of building a roster.

#5 in prospect rankings is probably right.

The point I was making is the difference of a deep draft to a regular draft to a poor draft will be in the end over a period of time probably .10 ppg per player.

There is just never nearly as many good NHL players as claimed at the beginning of each season before there draft year even starts. If you look back at most drafts the 20th best player in that draft is probably a 3rd liner or a fringe 2nd pairing defensemen. Yet every year there are 40-50 players that are going to be middle 6 or top 4 D or better. Just isn't the case.
- manvanfan

Overhyping prospects isnt a new thing. Unless deemed generational, how often are these kids built up to make much better than they truly are. My point is though, keeping or dishing picks based off of your theory is a slippery slope. The more picks the better imo. I'm really hoping benning is able to acquire some more for the next few drafts.

#5 in prospect rankings is probably right.

The point I was making is the difference of a deep draft to a regular draft to a poor draft will be in the end over a period of time probably .10 ppg per player.

There is just never nearly as many good NHL players as claimed at the beginning of each season before there draft year even starts. If you look back at most drafts the 20th best player in that draft is probably a 3rd liner or a fringe 2nd pairing defensemen. Yet every year there are 40-50 players that are going to be middle 6 or top 4 D or better. Just isn't the case.
- manvanfan

How did you arrive at this?

Also, this isn't supposed to be your average draft. For instance, the 2003 draft draft featured 17 players that played in at least 1 all-star game. Hardly, fringe 2nd pairing or 3rd line. Do you think the dropoff is so far from 17 to 20? I mean you've already suggested there isn't much change from draft to draft.

I guess if you want to be narrow minded and believe that there's only a single way of building a roster.
- manvanfan

Yes, it's narrow mindedness that prevents me from accepting your utter bullpoop as the truth.

Overhyping prospects isnt a new thing. Unless deemed generational, how often are these kids built up to make much better than they truly are. My point is though, keeping or dishing picks based off of your theory is a slippery slope. The more picks the better imo. I'm really hoping benning is able to acquire some more for the next few drafts.
- Codes1087

You can't think of my theory as one end of the spectrum or the other though. The "slippery slope" needs to be navigated, not just a free fall.

How did you arrive at this?

Also, this isn't supposed to be your average draft. For instance, the 2003 draft draft featured 17 players that played in at least 1 all-star game. Hardly, fringe 2nd pairing or 3rd line. Do you think the dropoff is so far from 17 to 20? I mean you've already suggested there isn't much change from draft to draft.
- golfingsince

Now that Benning has built this playoff team for the ages, through drafting and developing of course, their old arguments don't matter anymore. The juggernaut is constructed. Now it's about building chemistry but you clearly know nothing about hockey and just come here to whine.

Yes, it's narrow mindedness that prevents me from accepting your utter bullpoop as the truth.
- golfingsince

How did you arrive at this?

Also, this isn't supposed to be your average draft. For instance, the 2003 draft draft featured 17 players that played in at least 1 all-star game. Hardly, fringe 2nd pairing or 3rd line. Do you think the dropoff is so far from 17 to 20? I mean you've already suggested there isn't much change from draft to draft.
- golfingsince

so 3 more players makes it a deeper draft?

You can't think of my theory as one end of the spectrum or the other though. The "slippery slope" needs to be navigated, not just a free fall.
- manvanfan

my point is that no draft, whatever the tag thats on it as: deep, soft, weak, strong, etc, should be overlooked, or taken lightly.

Again, we look at the value of Gaudette. That pick was low-key unreal. Being able to nab a Hobey Baker winner and a player who is capable of playing 3C, and well, with a 5th round pick, is unbelievable value. The same goes for Forsling (whether you like him or not).
Madden is the same. Demko and Dipietro as well. I know a ton of people dislike McCann, but he is a bonafide top 6 NHL player. Whether you hate Benning or not, or hate Judd or not, this scouting department is making really good value picks with the ones they have, which is why i am so disappointed when I know they deal them.
To me, this current franchise's biggest weak fall, and by such a astronomical margin, is the pro scouting. I can't fault them on Myers/Ferland/Benn/Miller, cause I love those, but in Benning's Regime as Canucks GM, it has easily been the biggest factor in most of the clubs mistakes.

so 3 more players makes it a deeper draft?
- manvanfan

Wait, we go from 17 all-star players to 3rd liners and borderline 2nd pairing?

You really have the audacity to laugh at others? Do you even re-read what you type?

my point is that no draft, whatever the tag thats on it as: deep, soft, weak, strong, etc, should be overlooked, or taken lightly.

Again, we look at the value of Gaudette. That pick was low-key unreal. Being able to nab a Hobey Baker winner and a player who is capable of playing 3C, and well, with a 5th round pick, is unbelievable value. The same goes for Forsling (whether you like him or not).
Madden is the same. Demko and Dipietro as well. I know a ton of people dislike McCann, but he is a bonafide top 6 NHL player. Whether you hate Benning or not, or hate Judd or not, this scouting department is making really good value picks with the ones they have, which is why i am so disappointed when I know they deal them.
To me, this current franchise's biggest weak fall, and by such a astronomical margin, is the pro scouting. I can't fault them on Myers/Ferland/Benn/Miller, cause I love those, but in Benning's Regime as Canucks GM, it has easily been the biggest factor in most of the clubs mistakes.
- Codes1087

So Benning has selected 2 bonafide top 6 forwards late in the 1st round. His drafting doesnt get enough credit.

So Benning has selected 2 bonafide top 6 forwards late in the 1st round. His drafting doesnt get enough credit.


- boonerbuck

hindsight is 20/20, and everyone can re-hash the virtanen pick, the juolevi pick all they want, but overall, I would say this amateur scouting department has done tremendous with the picks they have been given to pick at. Id be willing to argue on their behalf with anyone

you also won't hear me give Benning all of the credit on picks that he hits on, and give brackett/others grief on the ones that he missed. Its a group effort, and collectively, I think they have done well in amateur drafting.

EDIT/ADD - I will however continue to gripe about taking draft +1 or draft +2 eligible players with 5th round picks and beyond. I really dislike it lol

Wait, we go from 17 all-star players to 3rd liners and borderline 2nd pairing?

You really have the audacity to laugh at others? Do you even re-read what you type?
- golfingsince

1 draft in what 30 years that's happened. I thought we weren't aloud to talk in anything but absolutes. That seems like a single rare case instead of the norm.

hindsight is 20/20, and everyone can re-hash the virtanen pick, the juolevi pick all they want, but overall, I would say this amateur scouting department has done tremendous with the picks they have been given to pick at. Id be willing to argue on their behalf with anyone

you also won't hear me give Benning all of the credit on picks that he hits on, and give brackett/others grief on the ones that he missed. Its a group effort, and collectively, I think they have done well in amateur drafting.
- Codes1087

Excellent.