Excellent.

- boonerbuck

please see my "add" before completely agreeing lol

hindsight is 20/20, and everyone can re-hash the virtanen pick, the juolevi pick all they want, but overall, I would say this amateur scouting department has done tremendous with the picks they have been given to pick at. Id be willing to argue on their behalf with anyone

you also won't hear me give Benning all of the credit on picks that he hits on, and give brackett/others grief on the ones that he missed. Its a group effort, and collectively, I think they have done well in amateur drafting.

EDIT/ADD - I will however continue to gripe about taking draft +1 or draft +2 eligible players with 5th round picks and beyond. I really dislike it lol
- Codes1087

2nd edit

2nd edit

- boonerbuck

there we go lol

my point is that no draft, whatever the tag thats on it as: deep, soft, weak, strong, etc, should be overlooked, or taken lightly.

Again, we look at the value of Gaudette. That pick was low-key unreal. Being able to nab a Hobey Baker winner and a player who is capable of playing 3C, and well, with a 5th round pick, is unbelievable value. The same goes for Forsling (whether you like him or not).
Madden is the same. Demko and Dipietro as well. I know a ton of people dislike McCann, but he is a bonafide top 6 NHL player. Whether you hate Benning or not, or hate Judd or not, this scouting department is making really good value picks with the ones they have, which is why i am so disappointed when I know they deal them.
To me, this current franchise's biggest weak fall, and by such a astronomical margin, is the pro scouting. I can't fault them on Myers/Ferland/Benn/Miller, cause I love those, but in Benning's Regime as Canucks GM, it has easily been the biggest factor in most of the clubs mistakes.
- Codes1087

12 picks from 4th round on from 14-16 and he has 2 NHL players and 2 maybes.

there we go lol
- Codes1087

Im on board with the last edit as well. Just laughing because every time I went to respond there was a new paragraph.

Maybe this is why "tankers" whine after 5 seasons of losing about still losing.

Now that Benning has built this playoff team for the ages, through drafting and developing of course, their old arguments don't matter anymore. The juggernaut is constructed. Now it's about building chemistry but you clearly know nothing about hockey and just come here to whine.
- Marwood

I just can't imagine trying to portray myself as a drafting savant and then calling all drafts equal.

I just can't imagine trying to portray myself as a drafting savant and then calling all drafts equal.
- golfingsince

It could be worse. You could actually believe that a single generational draft is the norm. That would make someone look really (frank)en stupid.

Maybe this is why "tankers" whine after 5 seasons of losing about still losing.
- manvanfan

Just because you came doesn't mean your partner did.

It could be worse. You could actually believe that a single generational draft is the norm. That would make someone look really (frank)en stupid.
- manvanfan

Nobody is saying it's the norm, that's why it's called an abnormal draft year. I mean people still talk about some drafts in all sports as being the best of all time......and the worst.

It's a pretty (frank)ing normal occurrence.

Just because you came doesn't mean your partner did.
- golfingsince

I'm a gentlemen, I always allow her to finish first.

12 picks from 4th round on from 14-16 and he has 2 NHL players and 2 maybes.
- manvanfan

you are proving my point lol. The liklihood of any player making any sort of NHL impact beyond round 4 is slim to none and almost non-existent based off of history. Of those 12 picks this scouting department has had, we are looking at either 16 to 33% of those making NHL impact. That is fantastic value IMO. whether its 2 of 12, or 4 of 12, thats great.

I just can't imagine trying to portray myself as a drafting savant and then calling all drafts equal.
- golfingsince

Contradictions are fun!

I'm a gentlemen, I always allow her to finish first.
- manvanfan

We thank you for that.

Contradictions are fun!
- Marwood

I'm sad we don't have a 3rd round pick.

I'm sad we don't have a 3rd round pick.
- golfingsince

#AllDraftPicksMatter

I'm sad we don't have a 3rd round pick.
- golfingsince

At least it will save you 5 mins.

At least it will save you 5 mins.
- Marwood

#AllDraftPicksMatter
- Codes1087

Of course they do. The higher they are, the more they matter. It's not rocket science.

Nobody is saying it's the norm, that's why it's called an abnormal draft year. I mean people still talk about some drafts in all sports as being the best of all time......and the worst.

It's a pretty (frank)ing normal occurrence.
- golfingsince

When did you figure out that 2003 was an abnormal draft? Before their draft season even started?

Of course they do. The higher they are, the more they matter. It's not rocket science.
- golfingsince

Whether is it's my favorite player Bure, or local boy Benn, or even just what we have seen of gaudette, we know you can get NHL talent throughout the entire draft. We are talking about the best 200 kids in the world for their birth year. Not every franchise can see them all, and you are just as likely as any club to hit a gem.

Of course they do. The higher they are, the more they matter. It's not rocket science.
- golfingsince

Oh gawd I just pictured Benning as a rocket scientist

you are proving my point lol. The liklihood of any player making any sort of NHL impact beyond round 4 is slim to none and almost non-existent based off of history. Of those 12 picks this scouting department has had, we are looking at either 16 to 33% of those making NHL impact. That is fantastic value IMO. whether its 2 of 12, or 4 of 12, thats great.
- Codes1087

To gain more picks generally you have to trade away NHL talent. So you are trading a for sure thing for a 16-33% chance that of an equal or better player in some cases.

If you miss on all of those, you are then signing more players in free agency or placing more players like Gaunce in your line up. Have seen how well free agency works or players like Gaunce.

To gain more picks generally you have to trade away NHL talent. So you are trading a for sure thing for a 16-33% chance that of an equal or better player in some cases.

If you miss on all of those, you are then signing more players in free agency or placing more players like Gaunce in your line up. Have seen how well free agency works or players like Gaunce.
- manvanfan

This isnt true at all. They obtained an extra 6th just by swapping 6ths. I'm pretty sure (not positive though) they did a similar deal in the past. They dealt fringe NHL players to clubs for other fringe players plus picks (mdz trade). There must be more trades I'm missing but my point is, regular nhl talent isnt the only way of obtaining picks, and it doesnt always mean we have to deal ours away for NHL talent either.

Side note, I like the NCAA and CHL signings they are targeting. Rafferty, teves and elliot are exactly the type of players they should be gambling on.

This isnt true at all. They obtained an extra 6th just by swapping 6ths. I'm pretty sure (not positive though) they did a similar deal in the past. They dealt fringe NHL players to clubs for other fringe players plus picks (mdz trade). There must be more trades I'm missing but my point is, regular nhl talent isnt the only way of obtaining picks, and it doesnt always mean we have to deal ours away for NHL talent either.

Side note, I like the NCAA and CHL signings they are targeting. Rafferty, teves and elliot are exactly the type of players they should be gambling on.
- Codes1087

Rafferty was basically like a free 3rd or 4th round pick. Stecher was like a free 2nd or 3rd round pick.