When did you figure out that 2003 was an abnormal draft? Before their draft season even started?
- manvanfan

Spring 2001. Check the archives.

Rafferty was basically like a free 3rd or 4th round pick. Stecher was like a free 2nd or 3rd round pick.
- Nucker101

I know people dont like stecher, but with what hes accomplished at the pro level, as a free agent, is remarkable again.

I know people dont like stecher, but with what hes accomplished at the pro level, as a free agent, is remarkable again.
- Codes1087

I think he'll be fine if he's asked to play within his limits......those limits being mostly ice-time. 13-14 minutes a night seems right.

Spring 2001. Check the archives.
- golfingsince

Before HB.

Before HB.
- boonerbuck

:lol

(frank) man, the average fan knows what's coming 2 years out in a football draft within reason. And they've likely followed him/them through college and possibly high school. They have a good idea of depth of position, areas that are thin on talent. I find it hard to believe this is an exercise exclusive to one sport.

This isnt true at all. They obtained an extra 6th just by swapping 6ths. I'm pretty sure (not positive though) they did a similar deal in the past. They dealt fringe NHL players to clubs for other fringe players plus picks (mdz trade). There must be more trades I'm missing but my point is, regular nhl talent isnt the only way of obtaining picks, and it doesnt always mean we have to deal ours away for NHL talent either.

Side note, I like the NCAA and CHL signings they are targeting. Rafferty, teves and elliot are exactly the type of players they should be gambling on.
- Codes1087

That's what draft picks are a gamble. A well calculated gamble thanks to scouting. Do you always play the long shot or do sometimes take the sure thing?

Spring 2001. Check the archives.
- golfingsince

I'll get right on that....

Was helping a nice couple for Cuba install a car seat they bought from us. They were nice, having a little boy in a month.

I'm fine if you want to defend the guy, but let's not get carried away. He's been sacrificing the future for the present since the day he got here. He's just had 6 years to build a young nucleus.
- golfingsince

lol right. So basically Benning is just 'lucky' because of longevity. Boeser, Demko, Pettersson and Hughes were all flukes because he had 6 years to work with.

Rafferty was basically like a free 3rd or 4th round pick. Stecher was like a free 2nd or 3rd round pick.
- Nucker101

Wonder why they weren't drafted.

lol right. So basically Benning is just 'lucky' because of longevity. Boeser, Demko, Pettersson and Hughes were all flukes because he had 6 years to work with.
- LordHumungous

And if they had double the amount of draft picks Van would have 2 of every one of those players and have a serious cap problem <---bolded because it's a serious cap problem

And if they had double the amount of draft picks Van would have 2 of every one of those players and have a serious cap problem <---bolded because it's a serious cap problem
- manvanfan

lol!

lol!
- LordHumungous

I don't think some understand the seriousness of that potential cap problem if that situation would have played out.






GOLFING! Come back, I haven't had a decent argument since last week with Vintsy. I'm sorry, I love you

I know people dont like stecher, but with what hes accomplished at the pro level, as a free agent, is remarkable again.
- Codes1087

If he is ever deemed replaceable by someone, Van can trade him for a draft pick and take a shot at someone else.

lol right. So basically Benning is just 'lucky' because of longevity. Boeser, Demko, Pettersson and Hughes were all flukes because he had 6 years to work with.
- LordHumungous

We picked in the top 7 four times.

There are some nice draft picks but who else as Canucks GM has had that opportunity in recent years? It's been a long time since Brian Burke was drafting. I'm excited, but that's 6 drafts to add to the cupboard and we've been rebuilding for most of it.

There's nobody crashing the door down to make the team at this point.

And if they had double the amount of draft picks Van would have 2 of every one of those players and have a serious cap problem <---bolded because it's a serious cap problem
- manvanfan

Yes, it's the ELC's that are tricky with the cap. It's certainly not the $3M 4th line C's or $6M bottom pairing Dmen.

That's what draft picks are a gamble. A well calculated gamble thanks to scouting. Do you always play the long shot or do sometimes take the sure thing?
- manvanfan

Depends on the state of the team. Prior to this upcoming season and the roster being overhauled, I would have hoped the canucks swung on potential and high ceiling rather than "safe".

Hard to judge draft strength by draft years.
Forwards and their PPG and rank in scoring in draft
00 Paul Gaustad C Portland Winter Hawks [WHL] .32 19th
01 Brooks Laich C Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL] .43 17th
02 Matthew Lombardi C Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] .49 20th
03 Milan Michalek L Ceske Budejovice HC [Czech] .59 21st
04 Jannik Hansen R Malmo Jrs [Sweden] .41 21st
05 Darren Helm L Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL] .36 20th
06 Jamie McGinn L Ottawa 67's [OHL] .36 21st
07 Patrick Maroon L St. Louis Bandits [NAHL] .46 21st
08 Tyler Ennis L Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL] .51 15th
09 Cody Eakin C Swift Current Broncos [WHL] .41 20th
10 Nick Bjugstad C Blaine H.S. [Minn.] .48 20th
11 Victor Rask C Leksands IF [Swe-1] .46 19th
12 Josh Anderson R London Knights [OHL] .46 20th
13 Andrew Copp C U. of Michigan [CCHA] .29 20th

No D because clearly they tend to score at different rates than forwards. I tried to go with the 20th highest scoring player in each draft over careers so far.

Pretty consistent in the scoring rate you will see around the 20th highest scoring player per draft. Drafts are not completely equal. Talking less than a .10 of a ppg is 8 points per season which isn't a huge difference. Clearly 03 best draft in a long time was ahead at the 21st position. 5 spots later Brodziak scoring at a rate of .32. .04 lower than players in the 05, 06 drafts that were 5-6 picked ahead.

13 draft might need a bit more time for players to develop. Same with 12 draft before we know how it's going to turn out.


It won't let me make it readable. *better*

Yes, it's the ELC's that are tricky with the cap. It's certainly not the $3M 4th line C's or $6M bottom pairing Dmen.
- golfingsince

What happens when ELC run out?

Depends on the state of the team. Prior to this upcoming season and the roster being overhauled, I would have hoped the canucks swung on potential and high ceiling rather than "safe".
- Codes1087

I don't think I understand what you are meaning here. Miller being "safe" and 2020 pick being the swing on potential?

What happens when ELC run out?
- manvanfan

Oh , then you have to negotiate a contract. It's quite a bit easier than negotiating one on the open market. Sometimes, having a star can make it tricky. We call those times 1st world problems.

I don't think I understand what you are meaning here. Miller being "safe" and 2020 pick being the swing on potential?
- manvanfan

Nope you're not understanding lol. Dont worry about it man. I'm talking about drafts in general, from the first pick of the draft to the last pick. Not talking value, or likelihood based off round. It's all good though

Oh , then you have to negotiate a contract. It's quite a bit easier than negotiating one on the open market. Sometimes, having a star can make it tricky. We call those times 1st world problems.
- golfingsince

(frank)en rights.

I actually just read the EK blog thing (well fast skimmed) and a question that popped into my head was when I was reading about everyone waiting on Marner. Also after hearing that Laine to MTL might have been an offer sheet/trade idea.

I think most are waiting on Marner in case he does become available in a trade is why they don't want to sign their own stars. As why maybe Boeser doesn't have a contract if rumour is true that they offer him in a trade for Marner.

Id rather Benning sign Boeser and set the bar for everyone else. Van has a full team and can fit him at a reasonable cost. Some other teams can't.

Nope you're not understanding lol. Dont worry about it man. I'm talking about drafts in general, from the first pick of the draft to the last pick. Not talking value, or likelihood based off round. It's all good though
- Codes1087

Ok I get it when you put it that way.

NHL drafts are just severely overrated. There is probably a reason why they cut them down in rounds years ago. To stop wasting their time drafting players into 8th and 9th rounds.

(frank)en rights.

I actually just read the EK blog thing (well fast skimmed) and a question that popped into my head was when I was reading about everyone waiting on Marner. Also after hearing that Laine to MTL might have been an offer sheet/trade idea.

I think most are waiting on Marner in case he does become available in a trade is why they don't want to sign their own stars. As why maybe Boeser doesn't have a contract if rumour is true that they offer him in a trade for Marner.

Id rather Benning sign Boeser and set the bar for everyone else. Van has a full team and can fit him at a reasonable cost. Some other teams can't.
- manvanfan

Then I hope he signs him to a 6 year deal.

I like how the NFL offers compensatory draft picks. I'd like the NHL to look into something for the end of the 2nd round.

Then I hope he signs him to a 6 year deal.

I like how the NFL offers compensatory draft picks. I'd like the NHL to look into something for the end of the 2nd round.
- golfingsince

I believe we went through this once before. NHL and NFL are just completely different ball games. Percentage of where picks come from in the league and everything are just very different.