So, his cap hit is $6.962M then? Right?
- PatC80

Dubas structured the deal so his cap hit is 6.9 for 5 years.

He caved he should of signed the 7.5 million at the start of the season when he had a chance.

Perfect.

Last year we weren't up against the cap.
- Santo_44

Yep, as I said before, Dubas is a genius if he planned that.

So, his cap hit is $6.962M then? Right?
- PatC80

Correct.

Let him sit, Marner shouldn't get Matthews type money... Cause, he's not as good as Matthews
- PatC80

To add to your quote, Dubas wants the other guys, probably Point the most, to sign a deal to have a new comparable.

The issue I have here is I think Dubas is willing to let this go through the season. He's already done his job of letting everyone know he's been trying to get this deal. Offered multiple terms/dollars and Marner is saying no.

On the flip side, are the other teams/players all willing to sit as well to wait for Marner?

So, his cap hit is $6.962M then? Right?
- PatC80

I didn't argue that, I said he got 7.5 a year.

I think so as well.. It will be fun to see
- PatC80

Yup.

AM/WN will be lights out together this season.

Yep, as I said before, Dubas is a genius if he planned that.
- bobbyisno1

I doubt he planned it....but I doubt he was super anxious to make the deal even though he would of helped the team.

To add to your quote, Dubas wants the other guys, probably Point the most, to sign a deal to have a new comparable.

The issue I have here is I think Dubas is willing to let this go through the season. He's already done his job of letting everyone know he's been trying to get this deal. Offered multiple terms/dollars and Marner is saying no.

On the flip side, are the other teams/players all willing to sit as well to wait for Marner?
- Aaron_85

It can't go through the season.

If it does it'll have to be a one year deal and that is horrible for both sides.

This is getting done or he is getting traded...the clock is ticking for Marner to be a Leaf.

To add to your quote, Dubas wants the other guys, probably Point the most, to sign a deal to have a new comparable.

The issue I have here is I think Dubas is willing to let this go through the season. He's already done his job of letting everyone know he's been trying to get this deal. Offered multiple terms/dollars and Marner is saying no.

On the flip side, are the other teams/players all willing to sit as well to wait for Marner?
- Aaron_85

Why has everyone accepted the narrative that everyone is waiting for Marner to sign?

I mean, I know we are the centre of the hockey universe and all, but Brayden Point is a kinda good hockey player.

He got him on a 6.9 mil deal when everybody said he was asking for Draisaitl's deal.
- AdamFrench

Great negotiating if deal done 15th of July.
The Nylander negotiations were done really poorly - should have sat him out or traded him to show the other players that people need to show that they really want to be part of the team, and not sacrificing a whole season just to get 0.5mln more.

When Dubas signed Nylander last minute and caved, he lost most of his leverage with Matthews and Marner.

From an October 2018 MiB blog:

https://hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=95138

The continuing saga of contract negotiations between the Maple Leafs and William Nylander does not seem to be getting anywhere closer to getting resolved. TSN’s Darren Dreger reported on Thursday that there has been little movement off an $8 Million-plus AAV from the Nylander camp’s on a long-term deal, an amount that is anywhere from $1.5 to $2 Million more per season than the Leafs are looking to sign the 22-year-old for.

Leafs GM Kyle Dubas is not seriously contemplating any trade options for Nylander, since his value is mitigated by his current status as an unsigned restricted free agent, but if the impasse continues into the season and the compromise is a two-or-three bridge deal, that likely would be the first step towards the winger’s eventual departure from Toronto.

Dubas is reportedly looking for a long term deal of six-or-more years in the $6 to $6.5 Million range, which would be a friendly number for the Leafs on the salary cap (in the same range as veteran Patrick Marleau), that would allow Toronto room to sign Mitch Marner and Auston Matthews on long term deals.
- Atomic Wedgie

So...Leafs wanted 6 ish....Nylander wanted 8 ish. He got 7ish. Sounds like a compramise. makes one wonder why they couldn't do that in August!!!

Great negotiating if deal done 15th of July.
The Nylander negotiations were done really poorly - should have sat him out or traded him to show the other players that people need to show that they really want to be part of the team, and not sacrificing a whole season just to get 0.5mln more.

When Dubas signed Nylander last minute and caved, he lost most of his leverage with Matthews and Marner.
- MaximusAurelius

You don't trade elite talent away just to make a point..

How (frank)ing silly can you be.

It can't go through the season.

If it does it'll have to be a one year deal and that is horrible for both sides.

This is getting done or he is getting traded...the clock is ticking for Marner to be a Leaf.
- Santo_44

Why would a one-year deal be bad for the Leafs/us fans?

Why has everyone accepted the narrative that everyone is waiting for Marner to sign?

I mean, I know we are the centre of the hockey universe and all, but Brayden Point is a kinda good hockey player.
- Atomic Wedgie

He should be making more than Marner.

He is better, he scores goals and is a center.

It can't go through the season.

If it does it'll have to be a one year deal and that is horrible for both sides.

This is getting done or he is getting traded...the clock is ticking for Marner to be a Leaf.
- Santo_44

The Leafs don't have the cap space to let this go past day 1 of the season, they'll have to let him sit the year .

Correct.
- Atomic Wedgie

So then why am I arguing?

Dubas structured the deal so his cap hit is 6.9 for 5 years.

He caved he should of signed the 7.5 million at the start of the season when he had a chance.
- Santo_44

That makes sense, Dubas signing Nylander for less money, means Dubas caved.. Should have given Nylander moar

Why would a one-year deal be bad for the Leafs/us fans?
- Atomic Wedgie

We don't need a Trouba situation...

Plus they don't need more question marks going into next season...Everyone but Rielly needs a contract on the blue line. If they can re-sign Muzz/Dermott/Barrie mid season I want them to do it.

I didn't argue that, I said he got 7.5 a year.
- bobbyisno1

As a fan, I only care about his cap hit, not how much he actually got paid..

The only number that matters to me, going forward is 6.9M

You don't trade elite talent away just to make a point..

How (frank)ing silly can you be.
- Santo_44

Harold Ballard says hello.

The Leafs don't have the cap space to let this go past day 1 of the season, they'll have to let him sit the year .
- bobbyisno1

They will trade him if it came to that.

I don't know how bad Mitch wants to be a Leaf but from the sounds of it from insiders/people who have ties to his family he wants to be a Leaf. I think when it comes down to it Mitch has more to lose here.

Unless he wants to go to CBJ.

You don't trade elite talent away just to make a point..

How (frank)ing silly can you be.
- Santo_44

Nylander isn't an elite talent.
He's a 2nd liner who can do some things really well, and a lot of things not very well.
He'll disappoint again and all of a sudden in December there will be a lot more people saying 'trade the bum'.

Harold Ballard says hello.
- Atomic Wedgie

(frank) this team has good people running it now, don't mention that name.

Nylander isn't an elite talent.
He's a 2nd liner who can do some things really well, and a lot of things not very well.
He'll disappoint again and all of a sudden in December there will be a lot more people saying 'trade the bum'.
- MaximusAurelius

Again, highly disagree and I am not going of "feelings" like yourself.

Lets let WN do the talking and lets come back to these conversations at the end of the year. Then we will see who is right.

Again, highly disagree and I am not going of "feelings" like yourself.

Lets let WN do the talking and lets come back to these conversations at the end of the year. Then we will see who is right.
- Santo_44

Don't waste your time, bud...

Nylander could finish the year with 75 points and Max will still say that he's not good enough to get 76 points.