You tell me, your the one with all the sources

Provorov is going to desperate Oilers. Werenski is going to the Canucks. All the GM'S and owners are going to the BAR/AA meetings and their shrinks.

For his career, Werenski has started approx 60% of his shifts offensive zone and 40% of them in the defensive zone. For Provorov, it has been the opposite. Werenski also sees top PP minutes and Provorov does not (Provorov quite frankly hasn't been great on the PP yet). These items have to account for at least some of the disparity in points. For better or worse, Provorov has been the Flyers #1 D for all but maybe 20 games of his career. Jones is unquestionably the #1 D on the Jackets, taking some of the defensive pressure off of Werenski.

They are both outstanding young players any team would be thrilled to have. A year ago, Provorov had the edge but had a poor 3rd season. Right now, Werenski may have the edge. This debate will likely rage on for the entirety of their careers.

The Flyers are very good at developing forwards.

The Flyers are TERRIBLE at developing D-men and Goalies (Hart is TBD but I love him and Bob is the one exception since Hexy as a player)...

I think the last Flyer drafted D-man to make the All-Star Game was Behn Wilson (sp?)....

Simply put - you don't trade Ghost or Provo unless you are getting back a total game changer. Puck moving, scoring, young D are about as valuable a commodity as there is.

Fletch needs to buck up for Provo on a shorter term deal and be prepared to pay his ass when he ages into a true bad-ass.

I also like the moves Fletch made to bring in veterans to help support Ghost and Provo (and Meyers). The Flyers SUCKED at plus-minus (a key part of my fantasy league thus I really watch that stat carefully). I am predicting a turn-around for both Flyers D-men this year in that category thanks to the veteran help. They might score a little more with some stay-at-home-mom D-men to help them too.

The issue is: the Metro is going to be SCARY GOOD this year. Who is bad? Who is missing the playoffs? The Rangers? OK maybe but NJD are scary now. Isles are good and very well coached. Pitt still has Sid and Geno. I mean seriously - who is going to miss the playoffs? I hope it isn't my Flyers but it could be if they don't hammer on all cylinders.

there has to have been something better you could have done with your day.
- Richardflair

go on ......

For his career, Werenski has started approx 60% of his shifts offensive zone and 40% of them in the defensive zone. For Provorov, it has been the opposite. Werenski also sees top PP minutes and Provorov does not (Provorov quite frankly hasn't been great on the PP yet). These items have to account for at least some of the disparity in points. For better or worse, Provorov has been the Flyers #1 D for all but maybe 20 games of his career. Jones is unquestionably the #1 D on the Jackets, taking some of the defensive pressure off of Werenski.

They are both outstanding young players any team would be thrilled to have. A year ago, Provorov had the edge but had a poor 3rd season. Right now, Werenski may have the edge. This debate will likely rage on for the entirety of their careers.
- BOSS_TWEED

Your zone start info is trash.

Owners realize that trading a top, young, unsigned player for a top, young, unsigned player would be the equivalent of labour negotiations suicide. The agents would have a celebration knowing they had won and each team would quickly settle a deal with their new player close to the original player demand.

What fan base would stand for a top player being traded to get back a new player who refuses to sign?

I am not one of them. I think Werenski is as good as Provorov. If that deal happens, I think Ghost is going to be traded.
-CupOnBroadSt.

what does one have to do with the other one?

For his career, Werenski has started approx 60% of his shifts offensive zone and 40% of them in the defensive zone. For Provorov, it has been the opposite. Werenski also sees top PP minutes and Provorov does not (Provorov quite frankly hasn't been great on the PP yet). These items have to account for at least some of the disparity in points. For better or worse, Provorov has been the Flyers #1 D for all but maybe 20 games of his career. Jones is unquestionably the #1 D on the Jackets, taking some of the defensive pressure off of Werenski.

They are both outstanding young players any team would be thrilled to have. A year ago, Provorov had the edge but had a poor 3rd season. Right now, Werenski may have the edge. This debate will likely rage on for the entirety of their careers.
- BOSS_TWEED

well yes because defensive zone starts went to Nuutivara and Savard who were the shutdown pair, can't blame coaching decisions on trying to optimize player usage.

Your zone start info is trash.
- Feds91Stammer

As are pretty much all of your comments.

The Flyers are very good at developing forwards.

The Flyers are TERRIBLE at developing D-men and Goalies (Hart is TBD but I love him and Bob is the one exception since Hexy as a player)...

I think the last Flyer drafted D-man to make the All-Star Game was Behn Wilson (sp?)....

Simply put - you don't trade Ghost or Provo unless you are getting back a total game changer. Puck moving, scoring, young D are about as valuable a commodity as there is.

Fletch needs to buck up for Provo on a shorter term deal and be prepared to pay his ass when he ages into a true bad-ass.

I also like the moves Fletch made to bring in veterans to help support Ghost and Provo (and Meyers). The Flyers SUCKED at plus-minus (a key part of my fantasy league thus I really watch that stat carefully). I am predicting a turn-around for both Flyers D-men this year in that category thanks to the veteran help. They might score a little more with some stay-at-home-mom D-men to help them too.

The issue is: the Metro is going to be SCARY GOOD this year. Who is bad? Who is missing the playoffs? The Rangers? OK maybe but NJD are scary now. Isles are good and very well coached. Pitt still has Sid and Geno. I mean seriously - who is going to miss the playoffs? I hope it isn't my Flyers but it could be if they don't hammer on all cylinders.
- flyersfaninLA

Very well said, I agree on all points. I think people are giving NJ way more credit, Subban needs to have a bounce back year. Hischier needs to turn the corner, Hughes needs to show he belongs in the NHL immediately. Butcher needs to continue to develop, and outside of an injury proned Schneider, they have McKenzie Blackwood and he is very early in his development. He didn't look out of place necessarily last year, but he still has only 10 NHL games under his belt, who knows with him. If he doesn't pan out and Schneider still isn't what he used to be, they will be in trouble. Their defense isn't what it used to be, neither is their system. I understand they got better from last year but that is all relative, they sucked last year, a small improvement is still "better."

Looking forward to a civil discussion on the matter
- eichiefs9

yuge

well yes because defensive zone starts went to Nuutivara and Savard who were the shutdown pair, can't blame coaching decisions on trying to optimize player usage.
- Alexzanki

Completely agree. Just pointing out that provided similar usage, Provorov most likely scores more than he has so far. He hasn't yet shown the ability to lead a PP but they really haven't needed that from him. That could develop for him down the line, given the opportunity.

Without hesitation, Werenski is easily a better player. Better impact on his teammates, better attitude. He's worth 7+. Provorov is really good, but he hasn't proved himself in the same way Werenski has IMO. Him holding up for 8M+ is patently ridiculous.

As are pretty much all of your comments.
- BOSS_TWEED

Nah.

go on ......
- dmnted

- Richardflair

lol

is he still alive?

I dont really see this as a viable trade.. Both around the same age, both expected to make similar money.. Werenski is outscoring Provorov by .2PPG.. An extra 4 points every 16 games roughly.. an extra 20 + points per season.. Those points could be huge and mean the difference between making or missing the playoffs in a tight division. Wersenski is also fast and solid devensively so no question he gets the edge.
- MR. E

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who is better when both players are unwilling to sign.Flyers need to trade Provo and Ghost to Panthers and pushing to get something equal in return

I'm gonna say its probably a fair trade but would never happen because both teams will be scared they are trading away a franchise defenseman

I would not trade Werenski For Provo but I would trade him for Laine.

What would be the point of the trade?

What would be the point of the trade?
- bruceflyers

Marner

What would be the point of the trade?
- bruceflyers

When did this become a three team trade with Tampa

lol

is he still alive?
- dmnted

DDP yoga turned his life around.

lol

is he still alive?
- dmnted

barely