Shut up Max, i haven't even posted in 2 months. female dog at someone else.
- bixll

Max isn’t having a very good day today

you forgot about the 'gud pro' part
- MaximusAurelius

Good man good pro does it the right way each and every day earns the right to feel good about himself worries about the process and is rewarded knows where to stand

They'll announce Marner's contract the day they can put Horton and Wendel Clarkson on LTIR, whenever that is, I don't even know. What I do know is today is Pizza Day.
- Zezel

I love Pizza

leafs didn't have a choice but to pay him.......he was given his qualifying offer by Ottawa, then traded to the leafs, then he accepted his qualifying offer.

had he been acquired before he was given his QO, than the leafs could have just dumped him by not giving him a qualifying offer. he was never going to make less than that amount, unless the leafs offered him a longer term deal for less AAV (which they were obviously never going to do)....on a 1 year deal, there was zero chance of getting him at less than that because he was an RFA
- sensarmy_11

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. His QO was at $4.3m. If he had accepted it, we'd be paying that. My understanding is that there was a threat that he was going to go Arbitration, where the award could be as much as $5m. If the arbitration award was greater than $4.39m, the Leafs could simply have walked away. So they had an out. They chose to sign him for 1 year at $4.5m. That is a fact. So they want him for something. They had the ability to dump him or have him cheaper.

I love Pizza
- Garnie

Pizza loves you.

leafs didn't have a choice but to pay him.......he was given his qualifying offer by Ottawa, then traded to the leafs, then he accepted his qualifying offer.

had he been acquired before he was given his QO, than the leafs could have just dumped him by not giving him a qualifying offer. he was never going to make less than that amount, unless the leafs offered him a longer term deal for less AAV (which they were obviously never going to do)....on a 1 year deal, there was zero chance of getting him at less than that because he was an RFA
- sensarmy_11

oh

so there is a reason

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. His QO was at $4.3m. If he had accepted it, we'd be paying that. My understanding is that there was a threat that he was going to go Arbitration, where the award could be as much as $5m. If the arbitration award was greater than $4.39m, the Leafs could simply have walked away. So they had an out. They chose to sign him for 1 year at $4.5m. That is a fact. So they want him for something. They had the ability to dump him or have him cheaper.
- Monkeypunk

my bad, I thought I read that he accepted his qualifying offer.........knowing that the leafs would have just dumped him had it gone to an arbitration hearing.

I'd really like to propose a split into 2 leafs forums on here - in order for HOHO, Aardvark, Bixll, Santo, Roger and a few others can go on continue with the insults and ignorant remarks, but just between themselves; and the other forum just a normal interaction forum where people can share their opinions and views on hockey, leafs and other stuff without the constant bickering and insults.
- MaximusAurelius

Motion denied.

Feel free to leave, though.

Look at the numbers bud.
- RedRevenge

what about the eye test?

I will reserve my judgement on him after October has rolled into November.

You ever heard of the CBA? Qualifying offers/arbitration for RFAs?
By all reports they offered the guy 8 x $10.5M...hardly a slap in the face. Marner, his Dad and Agent are the ones creating the bad blood. No one else is stepping up and offering him what he wants - by all means forego $10M with term to make $450K in Swiss francs for the year. If that's his only leverage it's laughable.
- Deeps27

The problem was making the trade for Cody Ceci. I'm sure other teams would have been willing to take Zaitsev. It's clear that the Leafs wanted Ceci.

I've heard that both sides were 500K apart. Pay him 11M for 8 years and move on with it.

Pizza loves you.
- Zezel

I know, and it shows

The problem was making the trade for Cody Ceci. I'm sure other teams would have been willing to take Zaitsev. It's clear that the Leafs wanted Ceci.

I've heard that both sides were 500K apart. Pay him 11M for 8 years and move on with it.
- RedRevenge

The Leafs could very well have offered an 8yr deal in that range, but they cant make him sign a contract.

There is 2 sides, and from every report we have seen so far, they dont want an 8 yr deal.

Maybe you'll learn something bud.
- RedRevenge

Who the (frank) are you anyway...?

The problem was making the trade for Cody Ceci. I'm sure other teams would have been willing to take Zaitsev. It's clear that the Leafs wanted Ceci.

I've heard that both sides were 500K apart. Pay him 11M for 8 years and move on with it.
- RedRevenge

How does Marner deserve 11M? He should be happy they are even offering anything at 10M+.

6 yrs @ 10 mil IMO is good contract for the player.

Greed is now a factor. Let him play in the swiss league. hope he doesn't gets hurt (not his fealings).
- dmnted

That's a very good contract for him. Not so much for the Leafs, though.

Only good thing for the Leafs is the 6th year.

Max isn’t having a very good day today


- Garnie

He's not. Redrevenge isn't either.

The problem was making the trade for Cody Ceci. I'm sure other teams would have been willing to take Zaitsev. It's clear that the Leafs wanted Ceci.

I've heard that both sides were 500K apart. Pay him 11M for 8 years and move on with it.
- RedRevenge

I think the difference is more than $500k. I believe the problem is basically this:

The Leafs have basically said:
3 x $7m or $8m
6 x $10m
8 x $11m

Marner's camp has said:

3 x $10m
5 x $11.5m

And they do not wish to exceed 5 years, and the AAV is very out of whack for the term.

I am shocked that someone in Switzerland is going to pay him so much! I mean I don't think anyone's really exceeded $500k before. Good for him!

The Leafs could very well have offered an 8yr deal in that range, but they cant make him sign a contract.

There is 2 sides, and from every report we have seen so far, they dont want an 8 yr deal.
- senstroll

Redrevenge only speaks in facts. So, he is sure that the 2 sides were only 500K apart. This is fact. Why is this NHL thingy so hard for these GM's??

How does Marner deserve 11M? He should be happy they are even offering anything at 10M+.
- matt1337

11 is getting into overpay territory even on 8yrs.

I still think there was some strategy to signing Ceci and leaving just enough money (10.5) to squeeze in Marner.

They can say we have 10.5 cap space to sign you and play this season. 10.5 x 8 or 9.5 x 6

take one of those, or go 3 x 8/8.5

otherwise, the Leafs start without mitch

500k? I think he’s only worth 9.5

10 million is the 500k overpay for me which is fine if it gets a deal done.

They’d get something really good for him. Overpaying him by 1.5 million is poop.
- Santo_44

Agreed.

I've been saying all along that he is worth between $8.5-$9.5 but he'll probably get between $9.5-$10.5

I think the difference is more than $500k. I believe the problem is basically this:

The Leafs have basically said:
3 x $7m or $8m
6 x $10m
8 x $11m

Marner's camp has said:

3 x $10m
5 x $11.5m

And they do not wish to exceed 5 years, and the AAV is very out of whack for the term.

I am shocked that someone in Switzerland is going to pay him so much! I mean I don't think anyone's really exceeded $500k before. Good for him!
- Monkeypunk

The Switzerland noise is just that. Clutching at sh!t by the idiot agent, because the apparent offer sheet never materialized. He may practicing in Switzerland for a while, but this deal will be done before or during training camp. I hope its a bridge deal. (frank) Ferris and all trolls that have a bad case of Leaf-Envy.

What did you shoot mofo?
- Garnie

I know this wasn’t directed at me but.....

I had my 2 day golf tourney at my club over the weekend and I was feeling pretty good about my game. I was coming off a 76, 78, and most recently a -1 71.

I shot 91, 87.

I’m going to take some time away from golf now.

It really is a fickle game.

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. His QO was at $4.3m. If he had accepted it, we'd be paying that. My understanding is that there was a threat that he was going to go Arbitration, where the award could be as much as $5m. If the arbitration award was greater than $4.39m, the Leafs could simply have walked away. So they had an out. They chose to sign him for 1 year at $4.5m. That is a fact. So they want him for something. They had the ability to dump him or have him cheaper.
- Monkeypunk

They wanted him because they need a right-handed shot* on the right side in the top 4 and Ceci has played a lot of minutes.

Looking around the league, believe it or not, he was the best option available if you didn't want to:

1. pay term
2. trade an asset

I have no problem with Ceci on a 1-year deal.

* I have no doubt that Dubas and Babcock met this year and discussed handedness in their pairings; I also think Dubas is taking away Babcock's excuses this year (veteran 4C, wrong handed D).

11 is getting into overpay territory even on 8yrs.

I still think there was some strategy to signing Ceci and leaving just enough money (10.5) to squeeze in Marner.

They can say we have 10.5 cap space to sign you and play this season. 10.5 x 8 or 9.5 x 6

take one of those, or go 3 x 8/8.5

otherwise, the Leafs start without mitch
- senstroll

Pretty much agree with everything here.

And if the leafs start without him I think it means it goes to a lower term so that they can still fit him in under the cap when it gets prorated.

I’m sure Dubas has told them they aren’t trading any of their players on the roster to accommodate marners new contract.

They wanted him because they need a right-handed shot* on the right side in the top 4 and Ceci has played a lot of minutes.

Looking around the league, believe it or not, he was the best option available if you didn't want to:

1. pay term
2. trade an asset

I have no problem with Ceci on a 1-year deal.

* I have no doubt that Dubas and Babcock met this year and discussed handedness in their pairings; I also think Dubas is taking away Babcock's excuses this year (veteran 4C, wrong handed D).
- gravyface

Yup. I agree 100%.