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aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

Aug 21 @ 3:41 PM ET
They've only played once which is quite surprising as they've both been powerhouse franchises for the past 50 years.
- golfingsince

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 21 @ 3:52 PM ET
what? they count ahl players salaries on the cap now?
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

They always have.

You get a little bit of a discount - it rises every year, but to do simple math, knock $1 million off the salary. The rest counts against the cap.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 21 @ 3:55 PM ET
They've only played once which is quite surprising as they've both been powerhouse franchises for the past 50 years.
- golfingsince

I taped the series on my VCR. Just watching them now, so don't spoil it for me.

But I just watched Game 1, and Zezel scored in OT, so I'm confident that the Leafs can keep the momentum going and whip your crap team's asses.
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 21 @ 3:59 PM ET
Again, not saying he is a bad player just not the caliber of nylander.

Komarov scores 19 goals and leafs let him walk.

You can find those types of players in free agency. You don’t find a nylander very often.

- bryant

nylander is barely a 60 point, 20 goal scorer, if he's more he hasn't shown it yet.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 21 @ 3:59 PM ET
I taped the series on my VCR. Just watching them now, so don't spoil it for me.

But I just watched Game 1, and Zezel scored in OT, so I'm confident that the Leafs can keep the momentum going and whip your crap team's asses.

- Atomic Wedgie

All I have to say is that you won't be pleased with Bullot's play. But he's living his dream so (frank) your couch.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Aug 21 @ 4:05 PM ET
nylander is barely a 60 point, 20 goal scorer, if he's more he hasn't shown it yet.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns


Man but Brown sure has lit it up.

You're talking up Brown, and by comparison saying Nylander is barely a 60pt player. You have to include points from the past 3 seasons to get Brown to 60 pts.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Aug 21 @ 4:06 PM ET
I taped the series on my VCR. Just watching them now, so don't spoil it for me.

But I just watched Game 1, and Zezel scored in OT, so I'm confident that the Leafs can keep the momentum going and whip your crap team's asses.

- Atomic Wedgie


Weird that they won all the WCF that they played in 5 games.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Aug 21 @ 4:08 PM ET
Connor Brown is impossible to hate but he's a 3rd or 4th liner for life.
- TheMussel


I do not share your opinion of him. Wasn't he the scoring leader of OHL one year.
He's a cap casualty.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 21 @ 4:11 PM ET
I do not share your opinion of him. Wasn't he the scoring leading of OHL one year.
He's a cap casualty.

- zazzle

He had a solid 2013-2014, which coincidently, was his final eligible year of Juniors. He had a pretty good line mate in Erie that year too. I forget his name...
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 21 @ 4:12 PM ET
They always have.

You get a little bit of a discount - it rises every year, but to do simple math, knock $1 million off the salary. The rest counts against the cap.

- Atomic Wedgie

started in 2013 cba:

Question: What happens when a player on a one-way NHL contract is demoted to the minor leagues?

Under the 2013 CBA, teams no longer receive full cap relief when demoting a player on a one-way NHL contract to the American Hockey League (or loaning him to a team in another professional league). The AAV (Average Annual Value, aka cap hit) less the sum of the minimum NHL salary for that season plus $375,000 still counts against the Club’s cap total.

Summary Table for Calculation Purposes:

[Season]: [Minimum Salary] + $375,000 = Total that can be buried
2012-13: $525,000 + $375,000 = $900,000
2013-14: $550,000 + $375,000 = $925,000
2014-15: $550,000 + $375,000 = $925,000
2015-16: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000
2016-17: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000
2017-18: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000
2018-19: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000
2019-20: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000
2020-21: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000
2021-22: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000

Illustration:

The Chicago Blackhawks demote Bryan Bickell to the AHL during the 2015-16 season. Bickell carries a $4.0 million AAV. The Blackhawks would still have $3.05 million counting against their Averaged Club Salary total for the period Bickell is in the minors.

CBA Reference: 50.5 (d-i-B-6) Page 264

http://www.colliganhockey...do-buried-contracts-work/

so based on this if ceci gets sent to the marlies, the leafs would still be stuck with 3.425 million of ceci's cap hit for the rest of the season. only 1.075 million cap relief if sent down, ceci better be at least 3 million dollars useful to this team's blue line.
bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Aug 21 @ 4:13 PM ET
nylander is barely a 60 point, 20 goal scorer, if he's more he hasn't shown it yet.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

I have no idea why people hate nylander so much.

Yes he had a poop year last year but he scored 61 points as 20 and 21 year old.

That puts him in rare company.
bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Aug 21 @ 4:15 PM ET
He had a solid 2013-2014, which coincidently, was his final eligible year of Juniors. He had a pretty good line mate in Erie that year too. I forget his name...
- RickJames77

That team was stacked... i believe they had strome, DeBrincat, and dermott. Some other guy I can’t place my finger on either. Mc.. mc Daniels... nope it’s not coming to me at the moment.
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

Aug 21 @ 4:16 PM ET
He had a solid 2013-2014, which coincidently, was his final eligible year of Juniors. He had a pretty good line mate in Erie that year too. I forget his name...
- RickJames77


McDavid did miss some time with injury that year, probably why Brown won the scoring title.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Aug 21 @ 4:19 PM ET
He had a solid 2013-2014, which coincidently, was his final eligible year of Juniors. He had a pretty good line mate in Erie that year too. I forget his name...
- RickJames77



yeah that was the year after his line mate left that he won the scoring title so

you know the guy who Edmonton picked 1st who wanted to be a Leafs.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Aug 21 @ 4:21 PM ET
I have no idea why people hate nylander so much.

Yes he had a poop year last year but he scored 61 points as 20 and 21 year old.

That puts him in rare company.

- bryant



I think Matthews help a little with those number.
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 21 @ 4:21 PM ET
Man but Brown sure has lit it up.

You're talking up Brown, and by comparison saying Nylander is barely a 60pt player. You have to include points from the past 3 seasons to get Brown to 60 pts.

- golfingsince

connor brown had 20 and 14 goal seasons in a 3rd line capacity on the leafs deep roster. if you gave brown some of nylander's time and a 2nd line role (where he probably plays on marner's line), he'd score 20 no problem. probably a 20/50 guy like somebody else said and would only be 2.1 on your cap this season as opposed to 7 million and you could probably sign him to a cheaper extension than nylander's 7 million cap hit.

instead dubas said (frank) the advantage of these value contracts of kadri and brown, i need to keep future superstar william nylander for 7 million a year because he's a flashy name and matthews and all the TO girls and twinks love him.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Aug 21 @ 4:22 PM ET
McDavid did miss some time with injury that year, probably why Brown won the scoring title.
- aminnes

Yeah he did get injured but he wasn't playing for the Otters when he did get injured.
Cost him a trophy as well.
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 21 @ 4:24 PM ET
I have no idea why people hate nylander so much.

Yes he had a poop year last year but he scored 61 points as 20 and 21 year old.

That puts him in rare company.

- bryant

it's called a salary cap. he also held out half of a season. the choice should have been between keep nylander or marner, with marner winning and keep more essential parts of the roster over keeping nylander for vanity sake.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 21 @ 4:27 PM ET
McDavid did miss some time with injury that year, probably why Brown won the scoring title.
- aminnes

Not the case. McDavid broke his hand in November of 2014. Brown was no longer in junior that season.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Aug 21 @ 4:28 PM ET
connor brown had 20 and 14 goal seasons in a 3rd line capacity on the leafs deep roster. if you gave brown some of nylander's time and a 2nd line role (where he probably plays on marner's line), he'd score 20 no problem. probably a 20/50 guy like somebody else said and would only be 2.1 on your cap this season as opposed to 7 million and you could probably sign him to a cheaper extension than nylander's 7 million cap hit.

instead dubas said (frank) the advantage of these value contracts of kadri and brown, i need to keep future superstar william nylander for 7 million a year because he's a flashy name and matthews and all the TO girls and twinks love him.

- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

Is it because he's kinda foreign and good looking? Is that why lots hate him. Has Cherry's racism started to resonate with fans?
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 21 @ 4:30 PM ET
yeah that was the year after his line mate left that he won the scoring title so

you know the guy who Edmonton picked 1st who wanted to be a Leafs.

- zazzle

No it wasn’t. Brown’s final season was 2013-2014 and McDavid’s was 2014-2015.

Unless I’m missing something or misinterpreting what you mean.
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 21 @ 4:30 PM ET
Is it because he's kinda foreign and good looking? Is that why lots hate him. Has Cherry's racism started to resonate with fans?
- walshyleafsfan

aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

Aug 21 @ 4:31 PM ET
Not the case. McDavid broke his hand in November of 2014. Brown was no longer in junior that season.
- RickJames77


2013-14 Erie Otters:

McDavid GP 56, 28 G, 71 A 99 P
Brown GP 68, 45 G, 83 A 128 P

McDavid got injured more than once in junior.
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 21 @ 4:32 PM ET
No it wasn’t. Brown’s final season was 2013-2014 and McDavid’s was 2014-2015.

Unless I’m missing something or misinterpreting what you mean.

- RickJames77



reason for this?
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 21 @ 4:33 PM ET
2013-14 Erie Otters:

McDavid GP 56, 28 G, 71 A 99 P
Brown GP 68, 45 G, 83 A 128 P

McDavid got injured more than once in junior.

- aminnes
Doesn’t appear to have miss as much as 14-15 though. I wasn’t aware he was hurt that year though, thanks.
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