Trade him. Find someone who wants to be here. Tired of this crap.
My dream as a kid was to have the Leafs offer me $10mil a season to play hockey and me hold out for eleven. Yeah right. Let him play somewhere else. Have at it Mitch. Rather anther Kapi and Johnson and cap space than Marner.

Looks like a PPG player to me,
- Scabeh

thats better than Mitch

Mitch for schuldt?

I don’t think you understand what he’s saying..

Maybe it’s me, but I doubt it.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I don’t think you understand what I am saying

I said “shhh” because I know you like to take your anger out online. So I am letting you do it.

You can thank me later

I completely agree.

It's not overpaying your superstar players that kills you.

It's overpaying your players that sucks.
- Scabeh

Regardless, in this instance it is a perceived overpayment. We don’t know the landscape of the future NHL. I’m pretty sure we all thought the Draisaitl contract was bonkers and now we’d all take it for him or a similar quality player.

But yeah, I agree, slightly overpaying stars isn’t anywhere near a Lucicesque deal. Funny how all things bad GMing related always come back to Peter.

Trade him. Find someone who wants to be here. Tired of this crap.
My dream as a kid was to have the Leafs offer me $10mil a season to play hockey and me hold out for eleven. Yeah right. Let him play somewhere else. Have at it Mitch. Rather anther Kapi and Johnson and cap space than Marner.
- Bullot

That may have been your dream, but the reality is nobody would pay a franking wooden nickel to watch you play hockey.

Do you see the difference?

That may have been your dream, but the reality is nobody would pay a franking wooden nickel to watch you play hockey.

Do you see the difference?
- Atomic Wedgie

This would be the best option for everyone.

Nylander + Bracco for RNH + Puljujarvi + 2nd.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

*barf*

One guy wants to trade Nylander so that we have more money to overpay Mitch with, and you want to trade Nylander and take on more cap hit?

Trading Nylander isn't the answer to the Marner dilemma.

Time and patience is the only answer there. If Marner's camp goes nuclear and he won't come to realistic terms, then Marner is the one who is traded. He is a fantastic player who can't be allowed to cripple your team's ability to compete.

Nylander at 6.9 isn't causing this disruption (this is not to say that if an offer were available for a true 1/2 D didn't avail itself eventually, Nylander isn't expendable, but it is to note that Nylander's cap hit isn't the issue). The inability of the Marner camp to accept a market setting offer is the problem.

*barf*

One guy wants to trade Nylander so that we have more money to overpay Mitch with, and you want to trade Nylander and take on more cap hit?

Trading Nylander isn't the answer to the Marner dilemma.

Time and patience is the only answer there. If Marner's camp goes nuclear and he won't come to realistic terms, then Marner is the one who is traded. He is a fantastic player who can't be allowed to cripple your team's ability to compete.

Nylander at 6.9 isn't causing this disruption (this is not to say that if an offer were available for a true 1/2 D didn't avail itself eventually, Nylander isn't expendable, but it is to note that Nylander's cap hit isn't the issue). The inability of the Marner camp to accept a market setting offer is the problem.
- Monkeypunk

you dont say

obv Mitch signs the second Willie is traded...obv

*barf*

One guy wants to trade Nylander so that we have more money to overpay Mitch with, and you want to trade Nylander and take on more cap hit?

Trading Nylander isn't the answer to the Marner dilemma.

Time and patience is the only answer there. If Marner's camp goes nuclear and he won't come to realistic terms, then Marner is the one who is traded. He is a fantastic player who can't be allowed to cripple your team's ability to compete.

Nylander at 6.9 isn't causing this disruption (this is not to say that if an offer were available for a true 1/2 D didn't avail itself eventually, Nylander isn't expendable, but it is to note that Nylander's cap hit isn't the issue). The inability of the Marner camp to accept a market setting offer is the problem.
- Monkeypunk

Or trade Nylander next summer to bring in defence.

Trade him. Find someone who wants to be here. Tired of this crap.
My dream as a kid was to have the Leafs offer me $10mil a season to play hockey and me hold out for eleven. Yeah right. Let him play somewhere else. Have at it Mitch. Rather anther Kapi and Johnson and cap space than Marner.
- Bullot

finally someone who gets it.

Or trade Nylander next summer to bring in defence.
- Atomic Wedgie

Going to need to replace Barrie after he puts up 70+ points. If only he could score 30 instead it would seriously help with the contract negotiations.

This would be the best option for everyone.

Nylander + Bracco for RNH + Puljujarvi + 2nd.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Everyone keeps saying the Nylander deal is fair. I totally disagree but let's roll with that and assume any other team would be happy to have him at 6.9.

The Leafs have 2 future top ten NHL scorers, and JT, another guy in the convo for the next 7 years. With this situation, and what will come with Reilly and Andersen, they cannot pay 7 million for 20 goals. They simply cannot. That ship sailed. They need to find 20 goals and 60 points from an entry level guy, or hope a guy like Kerfoot can provide it.

Keeping the top top top talent is far more important than keeping the second or third tier guys around, it's that simple, but unfortunately this is what they are doing.

Cody Ceci's awful hit for what he provides. Again, what he brings needs to be found internally, or on the cheap FA market or trade flyer, not at the highest cap hit possible for it. This is the way it has to be to keep these top of the NHL calibre guys. Most teams would be lucky to have one of them, so yes, they will pay 6.9 million for 60 points. Leafs simply cannot.

I think al the GM's with these RFA should give them a fair contract in $ and term and if they refuse to sign lets them sit. Its time this crazy overpayment for RFA stops.

I don’t think you understand what I am saying

I said “shhh” because I know you like to take your anger out online. So I am letting you do it.

You can thank me later
- Santo_44

U cray..

You don’t let me do anything, I choose to carve you because you’re low-hanging fruit.

As a fan of a team that was run by Peter Chiarelli, please let me advise you that you’d rather have the 1,000,000 overpayment, than trading a young star for Loui (frank)ing Eriksson or Adam Larsson.

New strategy, acquire all the players with ‘ss’ in their last name, wait for a dumb team to hire Chiarelli and strike!
- Nuclear Wedgina

That may have been your dream, but the reality is nobody would pay a franking wooden nickel to watch you play hockey.

Do you see the difference?
- Atomic Wedgie

people pay to watch the leafs in toronto not marner, whether the leafs are good or bad because apparently they have nothing better to do with their money. take marner out of the lineup and insert Bullot and people would still pay to watch Bullot putz around the ice and probably be just as good as marner to be honest. i've seen players better than marner never even get a shot to play in the nhl.

*barf*

One guy wants to trade Nylander so that we have more money to overpay Mitch with, and you want to trade Nylander and take on more cap hit?

Trading Nylander isn't the answer to the Marner dilemma.

Time and patience is the only answer there. If Marner's camp goes nuclear and he won't come to realistic terms, then Marner is the one who is traded. He is a fantastic player who can't be allowed to cripple your team's ability to compete.

Nylander at 6.9 isn't causing this disruption (this is not to say that if an offer were available for a true 1/2 D didn't avail itself eventually, Nylander isn't expendable, but it is to note that Nylander's cap hit isn't the issue). The inability of the Marner camp to accept a market setting offer is the problem.
- Monkeypunk

Assuming you get back a player as good or better, which isn't happening. Picks and prospects doesn't make the team better now, and now is the time.

U cray..

You don’t let me do anything, I choose to carve you because you’re low-hanging fruit.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Good. good. Let it out AA

people pay to watch the leafs in toronto not marner, whether the leafs are good or bad because apparently they have nothing better to do with their money. take marner out of the lineup and insert Bullot and people would still pay to watch Bullot putz around the ice and probably be just as good as marner to be honest. i've seen players better than marner never even get a shot to play in the nhl.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

RJ says dibs on new location.

RJ says dibs on new location.
- Nuclear Wedgina

Fine.

I Mitchy wants to play in Zurich for 5 or 6 mil, let him go. Kucherov signed for 9.5. I know about Florida state tax but 10 Mil US would be 13.3 mil in Canada

This is not just about the Leafs and Marner. Every agent has lined up in support of Marner trying to max out on dollars but sneak out on term. Nobody else is signing, everyone wants to see what are the numbers that Dubas will finally offer.

Soon enough the pressure is going to start to come from other agents and young players that do not want this to go beyond the opening of training camp.

My prediction is that everyone does a fair deal and shows up for the physical at the opening of training camp.

Everyone keeps saying the Nylander deal is fair. I totally disagree but let's roll with that and assume any other team would be happy to have him at 6.9.

The Leafs have 2 future top ten NHL scorers, and JT, another guy in the convo for the next 7 years. With this situation, and what will come with Reilly and Andersen, they cannot pay 7 million for 20 goals. They simply cannot. That ship sailed. They need to find 20 goals and 60 points from an entry level guy, or hope a guy like Kerfoot can provide it.

Keeping the top top top talent is far more important than keeping the second or third tier guys around, it's that simple, but unfortunately this is what they are doing.

Cody Ceci's awful hit for what he provides. Again, what he brings needs to be found internally, or on the cheap FA market or trade flyer, not at the highest cap hit possible for it. This is the way it has to be to keep these top of the NHL calibre guys. Most teams would be lucky to have one of them, so yes, they will pay 6.9 million for 60 points. Leafs simply cannot.
- aminnes

Yep!

Tyler Ennis could have put up 60 pts playing with Matthews. Nylander was dog-poop anywhere else in the lineup. They don’t need Nylander, at all. I think Dubas is coming to this realization. If he lets Marner sit, and the Leafs don’t get off to a hot start, Dubas is (frank)ed. Especially is Willy doesn’t get his swag back.

I have a feeling this could be a very interesting season. Some major changes could be on the horizon...

I think al the GM's with these RFA should give them a fair contract in $ and term and if they refuse to sign lets them sit. Its time this crazy overpayment for RFA stops.
- islansjet

Why is it an overpayment?

Last year, Marner was 11th in the league in scoring. He's 21 years old.

Why shouldn't he be asking for lots of money?

Why are you deciding what is fair?