True. Accept he's the most talented winger. You keep the most talented and move on from the lesser thans if the cap demands it.
- aminnes

I prefer Kucherov in all honesty.

The Leafs are stars and scraps. I'd rather they move one of the guys most likely making 8 figures to improve elsewhere.

look at the era that marner is playing in. if this were pre 2005 mitch marner probably would not have even made the nhl. he probably would have been simon gamache.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

That is totally irrelevant.. there are many other players in the league you could say that about.

But a lot of players that are Marners size and have the same particular set of skills are all elite players in the league.

my bad.

*checks red wings record over the past 5 years.
- Tumbleweed

My bad, *checks Wings record vs Leafs record during Holland's tenure*. Oh and who had the most money to spend pre-cap again?

True. Accept he's the most talented winger. You keep the most talented and move on from the lesser thans if the cap demands it.
- aminnes

which is why kadri and brown got moved.

which is why hyman probably has 1 year left with the leafs.

which will be why kapanen will get moved in a couple of years.

This I don't agree with. A good talent? A second line winger? Yes. But not elite.
- aminnes

I think his talent is elite, but he hasn't put together his full game yet. He's a top line winger or a 2C, so probably a top line winger for your club.

which is why kadri got moved.

which is why hyman probably has 1 year left with the leafs.

which will be why kapanen will get moved in a couple of years.
- Tumbleweed

Holy (frank), get your skates sharpened. We could get the nod in a few years.

My bad, *checks Wings record vs Leafs record during Holland's tenure*. Oh and who had the most money to spend pre-cap again?
- aminnes

i don't really feel googling it. does the nhl still have a salary cap these days?

which is why kadri got moved.

which is why hyman probably has 1 year left with the leafs.

which will be why kapanen will get moved in a couple of years.
- Tumbleweed

Kadri for sure, was pushed out for more talented centres. When it comes to Hymen and Kap though, cap hit does need to be a factor, unless there are cheaper and/or better guys to replace them. Are there?

i don't really feel googling it. does the nhl still have a salary cap these days?
- Tumbleweed

Your right. Holland never GMed a cup winner in the cap era. He also drafted Larkin, who lookalike will be the cream of the 2014 draft.

I have no idea why people hate nylander so much.

Yes he had a poop year last year but he scored 61 points as 20 and 21 year old.

That puts him in rare company.
- bryant

I'm happy to answer this:

Because he held out asking for a ridiculous salary demand, and when he finally showed up to play, he was franking horribly out of shape.

If you are demanding $8 million per year, you should be living in the gym until the paperwork gets done.

Kadri for sure, was pushed out for more talented centres. When it comes to Hymen and Kap though, cap hit does need to be a factor, unless there are cheaper and/or better guys to replace them. Are there?
- aminnes

Will the Leafs hace a choice is they're giving 40% of the cap to 3 guys?

Your right. Holland never GMed a cup winner in the cap era. He also drafted Larkin, who lookalike will be the cream of the 2014 draft.
- aminnes

Better than Draisaitl and Pastrnak?

I'm happy to answer this:

Because he held out asking for a ridiculous salary demand, and when he finally showed up to play, he was franking horribly out of shape.

If you are demanding $8 million per year, you should be living in the gym until the paperwork gets done.
- Atomic Wedgie

Kessel never did

Will the Leafs hace a choice is they're giving 40% of the cap to 3 guys?
- walshyleafsfan

They need to make some really huge changes to the way that they have structured the team. I do think they can make it work with the 3 guys, but it means they can't spend big money on mediocrity elsewhere. Should be able to get forwards that score 20/60 for cheaper than 7 million. Should be able to get borderline AHL d men for less than 4.5 million. The Kap/Johsson deals are very good ones. Those are the type of deals they will need to be making, can't afford to pay top dollar for regular guys.

Kadri for sure, was pushed out for more talented centres. When it comes to Hymen and Kap though, cap hit does need to be a factor, unless there are cheaper and/or better guys to replace them. Are there?
- aminnes

b.tanev just got 3.5 x6. hyman will be gone.

kapen likely gets priced out of toronto on his next deal.

it's not a problem. in a cap world, you move on from these guys and find replacements.

boston made the finals with 3 great forwards, 1 good one and 8 3rd/4th liners

I'm happy to answer this:

Because he held out asking for a ridiculous salary demand, and when he finally showed up to play, he was franking horribly out of shape.

If you are demanding $8 million per year, you should be living in the gym until the paperwork gets done.
- Atomic Wedgie

He's young man, figured he could play himself into shape. He did start horribly, then seemed to have some bad puck luck. (Karma for holding out?)

Asking him to be a 3C is just stupid/stubborn coaching, which is what he was asked to do after Kadri was suspended.

Your right. Holland never GMed a cup winner in the cap era. He also drafted Larkin, who lookalike will be the cream of the 2014 draft.
- aminnes

holland won on the back of cap circumventing contracts. good for him for taking advantage of it. but he left detroit in shambles.

a lot of gm's were caught swimming with no shorts on when the tide went out on those contracts.

b.tanev just got 3.5 x6. hyman will be gone.

kapen likely gets priced out of toronto on his next deal.

it's not a problem. in a cap world, you move on from these guys and find replacements.

boston made the finals with 3 great forwards, 1 good one and 8 3rd/4th liners
- Tumbleweed

Kapanen will retire a Leaf

Are you sayin that Simon gamache is better than MM?
- reefguy69

Better than Draisaitl and Pastrnak?
- walshyleafsfan

Maybe not Dry, but put him in Detroit and I think he produces at least 25% less than what he does, that goes for anyone playing with McDavid. Pasta it's debatable. Again, put him in Detroit and see how many chances he gets. Certainly in the discussion, and certainly better than the guy drafted 8 spots ahead of him.

That is totally irrelevant.. there are many other players in the league you could say that about.

But a lot of players that are Marners size and have the same particular set of skills are all elite players in the league.
- LeafGuy89

look at the era that marner is playing in. if this were pre 2005 mitch marner probably would not have even made the nhl. he probably would have been simon gamache.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

For one, that’s besides the point and could be said about a number of players. Also, 15 years ago you start getting into comparing players from different eras. There were not many players with Marner’s skill set back then and I can name one right off that bat that was not only smaller (by 3 in), but drafted top 10 and have a relatively successful NHL career in the late 90s and early 2000s. Sergei Samsanov.

holland won on the back of cap circumventing contracts. good for him for taking advantage of it. but he left detroit in shambles.

a lot of gm's were caught swimming with no shorts on when the tide went out on those contracts.
- Tumbleweed

Where could they go but down? 25 years in a row of playoffs and now Holland is a crappy GM?

Kessel never did
- walshyleafsfan

Despite the bullpoop narrative spread by Simmons et al, Kessel was never out of shape.

For one, that’s besides the point and could be said about a number of players. Also, 15 years ago you start getting into comparing players from different eras. There were not many players with Marner’s skill set back then and I can name one right off that bat that was not only smaller (by 3 in), but drafted top 10 and have a relatively successful NHL career in the late 90s and early 2000s. Sergei Samsanov.
- RickJames77

Marner is 6'

There's a perception out there that he is short.

Light as hell? Yes.

But he isn't pint sized.