I very much do enjoy the game now more now. I have always loved hockey and rolled with it as it went, but the awful plodding clutch'n'grab and interference of the 90's was crap. The way it was played also contributed to ending the careers of guys like Lemieux and Lindros earlier.

If you preferred the way it was, that's fine. But I think you are very much in the minority.
- Monkeypunk

minority on the internet maybe or just this site. not everyone who has watched hockey for years is on the internet talking about it. a lot of people have turned it off for good.

and that is why tv ratings are down across the board.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

How oblivious are you?

Many people aren’t paying for cable/satellite.

They are simply using streaming.



(frank) bring Chinese knockoff UG back. At least he was intelligent.

uhm

He he

Ffs this is gold Rick
- Santo_44

and the trolling begins

I remember Messier fought a older enforcer, just can't remember his name, when Messier just entered the league. Kicked the poop out of the guy. No one messed with him after that.
- aminnes

Moose.

Also I hated him while he was playing but Big Bird was one tough SOB.

minority on the internet maybe or just this site. not everyone who has watched hockey for years is on the internet talking about it. a lot of people have turned it off for good.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

So instead of using the only sample size you have on the internet, you are just going to say that the facts are wrong because you don’t like it ?

and the trolling begins
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

Yes, I am the one trolling.

How oblivious are you?

Many people aren’t paying for cable/satellite.

They are simply using streaming.



(frank) bring Chinese knockoff UG back. At least he was intelligent.
- Santo_44

here comes the everybody is streaming it argument, the same one wwe fans make when they try to defend the poop that wwe is putting on tv nowadays. 'ratings are down because people are watching on the internet'. please.

Yes, I am the one trolling.
- Santo_44

you most definitely are, when you are clearly trying to needle me by fake laughing at something so obviously not funny.

here comes the everybody is streaming it argument, the same one wwe fans make when they try to defend the poop that wwe is putting on tv nowadays. 'ratings are down because people are watching on the internet'. please.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

So the fact that 50% less people are using TV to watch shows/sports has nothing to do with the fact there are less views on TV?

How does this make any sense?

Have you ever taken a math class? It’s pretty simple.

I don’t miss it.

It isn’t worth the injuries. That is plain and simple to me.
- Santo_44

I don't like that more star players get run now than they used to, and subsequently more injuries to them. Fighters know they may get injured. And actually there really weren't very many injuries from fighting compared to other things.

you most definitely are, when you are clearly trying to needle me by fake laughing at something so obviously not funny.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

I find it hilarious and I’m sure many on here do as well.

You just said you have seen better players than Marner that have never gotten a crack at the NHL.

Who? Enlighten us.

minority on the internet maybe or just this site. not everyone who has watched hockey for years is on the internet talking about it. a lot of people have turned it off for good.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

Problem in the clutch and grab era was that there was 50 Marchand's running around at all times. Imagine the career Forsberg would've had without those f'n idiots...

I don't like that more star players get run now than they used to, and subsequently more injuries to them. Fighters know they may get injured. And actually there really weren't very many injuries from fighting compared to other things.
- aminnes

There were tons.

Even deaths like Belak and Boogaard.

It wasn’t good for hockey and there is a reason these players are coming out and trying to sue the NHL for it.

No one was educated about head injuries. They are debilitating.

So the fact that 50% less people are using TV to watch shows/sports has nothing to do with the fact there are less views on TV?

How does this make any sense?

Have you ever taken a math class? It’s pretty simple.
- Santo_44

If I watch game on the CBC internet site it counts in the ratings. It only doesn't count if people are watching from illegal streaming sites. I'm not sure that number is even quantifiable.

So the fact that 50% less people are using TV to watch shows/sports has nothing to do with the fact there are less views on TV?

How does this make any sense?

Have you ever taken a math class? It’s pretty simple.
- Santo_44

and so you are just assuming that about 50% of everybody in north america who used to watch hockey on tv is now streaming it on the internet because that's what you do?

and so you are just assuming that about 50% of everybody in north america who used to watch hockey on tv is now streaming it on the internet because that's what you do?


- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

Uhm....50% America isn’t watching TV compared to 8 years ago....

That’s all that needs to be said.

Ffs.

If I watch game on the CBC internet site it counts in the ratings. It only doesn't count if people are watching from illegal streaming sites. I'm not sure that number is even quantifiable.
- aminnes

Ask for a show of hands on here who watches sports on illegal steaming sites compared to 10 years ago.

I find it hilarious and I’m sure many on here do as well.

You just said you have seen better players than Marner that have never gotten a crack at the NHL.

Who? Enlighten us.
- Santo_44

actually i think i said that a day or 2 or 3 ago, not today and i stand by it. mitch marner might be one of the best of canada's 1 percenters' kids to play hockey, but that don't mean much to me when 99% is untapped potential still out there not getting the opportunities he has been bestowed. there are tonnes of players out there that could school mitch marner easy, you must live in a bubble or something.

Problem in the clutch and grab era was that there was 50 Marchand's running around at all times. Imagine the career Forsberg would've had without those f'n idiots...
- 21peter

the hell do i care about forsberg's career? i'm here to be entertained and so is everybody else tuning into a hockey game.

actually i think i said that a day or 2 or 3 ago, not today and i stand by it. mitch marner might be one of the best of canada's 1 percenters' kids to play hockey, but that don't mean much to me when 99% is untapped potential still out there not getting the opportunities he has been bestowed. there are tonnes of players out there that could school mitch marner easy, you must live in a bubble or something.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

Man NHL scouts must be horrible.

Why is dubas picking up scraps like Wilson, Aberg, Agostino.

There are tonnes of players out there that could score 94 points in the NHL.

Uhm....50% America isn’t watching TV compared to 8 years ago....

That’s all that needs to be said.

Ffs.
- Santo_44

uh no. the game is much more boring so chalking it up to strictly people are streaming it is not the complete and correct answer.

There were tons.

Even deaths like Belak and Boogaard.

It wasn’t good for hockey and there is a reason these players are coming out and trying to sue the NHL for it.

No one was educated about head injuries. They are debilitating.
- Santo_44

There were hardly any. You are talking about post carer concussion issues, which is a true thing no doubt, but hits have the same impact, and star players have been and still are victim of that. If no one was educated about head injuries then they are wasting their time trying to sue. I don't want anyone injured, but a fighter knew what they were doing. Semenko said the Gretzky was why he got paid what he did and was the reason the league had money, so protecting him was the priority, thats why you almost never saw superstars fight in the 80's and 90's. But the league decided to take control of the vigilante justice and have been changing things ever since. During that process many star players have been run and injured in a way they didn't prior. It's cool people like what the league is doing, I have no control over that, but Wendall is the most beloved Leaf for a reason, he could play and he protected his teammates, now it's the ref, who doesn't seem to be doing a very good job.

the hell do i care about forsberg's career? i'm here to be entertained and so is everybody else tuning into a hockey game.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

possibly a bit shortsighted...

Forsberg was 10x more entertaining to watch than the 'no talents' that (frank)ed it all up.

Man NHL scouts must be horrible.

Why is dubas picking up scraps like Wilson, Aberg, Agostino.

There are tonnes of players out there that could score 94 points in the NHL.
- Santo_44

marner was given the opportunity to do so, who else has?

uh no. the game is much more boring so chalking it up to strictly people are streaming it is not the complete and correct answer.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

Much of the freedom stars once had was taken away. Scoring plummeted, so the league increased PPs, which are very boring, and why 5vs5 playoff hockey is still the pinnacle. Obviously goalie gear and other factors are a part of it. But you don't go from 15 50 goal scorers to 3 in 4 years after the instigator without seeing it as a major factor.