so who is jimmy schuldt?

6.5 mil cap hit lol

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jimmy-schuldt

never heard of that rule.
- senstroll

Same thing that happened with Nylander. Signed deal late so cap hit goes up. Since he only signed for 1 year it was much greater.

people pay to watch the leafs in toronto not marner, whether the leafs are good or bad because apparently they have nothing better to do with their money. take marner out of the lineup and insert Bullot and people would still pay to watch Bullot putz around the ice and probably be just as good as marner to be honest. i've seen players better than marner never even get a shot to play in the nhl.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

Then why are you so upset that Marner won't sign?

You don't care about the players - including Marner. You just want to watch the logo on the front of the sweater.

If what you wrote above was true, you'd be just as happy watching Bullot out there, instead of Marner.

Except, you know, it greatly decreases your chances of seeing the Leafs in the playoffs.

Same thing that happened with Nylander. Signed deal late so cap hit goes up. Since he only signed for 1 year it was much greater.
- matt1337

Slightly different, as Nylander wasn't an ELC, so the formula was different.

Regardless, in this instance it is a perceived overpayment. We don’t know the landscape of the future NHL. I’m pretty sure we all thought the Draisaitl contract was bonkers and now we’d all take it for him or a similar quality player.

But yeah, I agree, slightly overpaying stars isn’t anywhere near a Lucicesque deal. Funny how all things bad GMing related always come back to Peter.
- Nuclear Wedgina

Problem is that the Leafs have 10.4 mil in cap space so what can he take?

That may have been your dream, but the reality is nobody would pay a franking wooden nickel to watch you play hockey.

Do you see the difference?
- Atomic Wedgie

You’re missing the point, perhaps you are here to argue and not discuss hockey. Beat it.

That may have been your dream, but the reality is nobody would pay a franking wooden nickel to watch you play hockey.

Do you see the difference?
- Atomic Wedgie

You’re missing the point, perhaps you are here to argue and not discuss hockey. Beat it.

Yep!

Tyler Ennis could have put up 60 pts playing with Matthews. Nylander was dog-poop anywhere else in the lineup. They don’t need Nylander, at all. I think Dubas is coming to this realization. If he lets Marner sit, and the Leafs don’t get off to a hot start, Dubas is (frank)ed. Especially is Willy doesn’t get his swag back.

I have a feeling this could be a very interesting season. Some major changes could be on the horizon...
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Me too. Even with Mitch in the lineup this team is probably looking at a wildcard. With him out, yikes. I predict Babs is fired after this season, leaving Dubas with nowhere to hide if they can't get out of the first round in 20-21.

Problem is that the Leafs have 10.4 mil in cap space so what can he take?
- bobbyisno1

he wants matthews money - no matter what.



so he'll go earn the max $450K in swiss francs, just like matthews.

Assuming you get back a player as good or better, which isn't happening. Picks and prospects doesn't make the team better now, and now is the time.
- aminnes

To be clear - I am not in favour of trading Marner. I fully expect that reason will rule the day at the end of the process and that this negotiation 101 act of Darren Ferris' will not garner him any new results.

Let's say that Marner insists on 5x11.634. No one else is going to give him that, nor should they. Now is the time, sure, but if we overpay Marner by $2m, we'll pay for it constantly year in and year out until the contract expires. Him accepting a deal in the 9.5 - 10 range is still an over payment, but it's an over payment we can afford.

If we were to trade Nylander just to overpay Marner, we'll have weakened our team now and in the future because (1) Nylander's trade value is currently lower than it should be, (2) we'll have to weaken the 3rd line to supplement the 1st line, (3) I get that you don't agree, and the results will have to prove themselves one way or the other eventually, but I do think his $6.9m salary for his projected production is very good.

You’re missing the point, perhaps you are here to argue and not discuss hockey. Beat it.
- Bullot

I'm not missing the point at all, chum.

As someone who actually pays to watch the Leafs play, I can assure you that paying elite players is something that I'm OK with.

Your working class hero diatribe about how you would be willing to play for the Leafs for no salary is completely irrelevant.

I don't want to see you play hockey. I'd rather see Mitch Marner, thank you very much.

Me too. Even with Mitch in the lineup this team is probably looking at a wildcard. With him out, yikes. I predict Babs is fired after this season, leaving Dubas with nowhere to hide if they can't get out of the first round in 20-21.
- aminnes

They gotta make the 3rd round or else Babs is gone.

Dubas had this invisibility cloak for the first year as GM. But now that there’s a crunch, he’s showing signs of immaturity. Not from anything he said, but by showing he lacks foresight to plan for the future.

When he signed JT, I was like, sweet! But that’s gonna hurt when the sign AM and MM.. and it hurts..

Yep!

Tyler Ennis could have put up 60 pts playing with Matthews. Nylander was dog-poop anywhere else in the lineup. They don’t need Nylander, at all. I think Dubas is coming to this realization. If he lets Marner sit, and the Leafs don’t get off to a hot start, Dubas is (frank)ed. Especially is Willy doesn’t get his swag back.

I have a feeling this could be a very interesting season. Some major changes could be on the horizon...
- Arctic_AARDVARK

By the way, you've made this claim before. Ennis wouldn't have been the guy.

He played 40 minutes with Matthews and put up 1 assist.

To put that in context, Matthews played the most with Kapanen (591 minutes). If you project that rate out, that's 15 assists that Ennis would have gotten.

Kapanen, by the way, who is significantly better than Ennis in every category, put up 44 points.

I'm not missing the point at all, chum.

As someone who actually pays to watch the Leafs play, I can assure you that paying elite players is something that I'm OK with.

Your working class hero diatribe about how you would be willing to play for the Leafs for no salary is completely irrelevant.

I don't want to see you play hockey. I'd rather see Mitch Marner, thank you very much.
- Atomic Wedgie

To be clear - I am not in favour of trading Marner. I fully expect that reason will rule the day at the end of the process and that this negotiation 101 act of Darren Ferris' will not garner him any new results.

Let's say that Marner insists on 5x11.634. No one else is going to give him that, nor should they. Now is the time, sure, but if we overpay Marner by $2m, we'll pay for it constantly year in and year out until the contract expires. Him accepting a deal in the 9.5 - 10 range is still an over payment, but it's an over payment we can afford.

If we were to trade Nylander just to overpay Marner, we'll have weakened our team now and in the future because (1) Nylander's trade value is currently lower than it should be, (2) we'll have to weaken the 3rd line to supplement the 1st line, (3) I get that you don't agree, and the results will have to prove themselves one way or the other eventually, but I do think his $6.9m salary for his projected production is very good.
- Monkeypunk

This is exactly the point I was making in the other post. If they want to keep the top of the league talent, they have to find the second and third tier guys for cheap, or less than market value. Can't pay 7 million for 20/60 any ore than they can pay 4.5 million for a borderline AHL defensemen and keep two future top ten NHL scorers and JT. Also, 10 million for a top 5 winger will look very cheap in 5 years, Marner know this. 11.6 looks bad now, but in 5 year after he score 100 a year, not so much. So to me, stop paying market value for mediocrity and pay a little over market value for top of the league talent now, with a view of the future.

They gotta make the 3rd round or else Babs is gone.

Dubas had this invisibility cloak for the first year as GM. But now that there’s a crunch, he’s showing signs of immaturity. Not from anything he said, but by showing he lacks foresight to plan for the future.

When he signed JT, I was like, sweet! But that’s gonna hurt when the sign AM and MM.. and it hurts..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

He also needs to keep his mouth shut. Don't say anything to the media about wether your keeping guys to not or what you might do.

To be clear - I am not in favour of trading Marner. I fully expect that reason will rule the day at the end of the process and that this negotiation 101 act of Darren Ferris' will not garner him any new results.

Let's say that Marner insists on 5x11.634. No one else is going to give him that, nor should they. Now is the time, sure, but if we overpay Marner by $2m, we'll pay for it constantly year in and year out until the contract expires. Him accepting a deal in the 9.5 - 10 range is still an over payment, but it's an over payment we can afford.

If we were to trade Nylander just to overpay Marner, we'll have weakened our team now and in the future because (1) Nylander's trade value is currently lower than it should be, (2) we'll have to weaken the 3rd line to supplement the 1st line, (3) I get that you don't agree, and the results will have to prove themselves one way or the other eventually, but I do think his $6.9m salary for his projected production is very good.
- Monkeypunk

they'll have to trade someone.
They have 10.4 in cap space.
And when they trade someone he has to be replaced also.

By the way, you've made this claim before. Ennis wouldn't have been the guy.

He played 40 minutes with Matthews and put up 1 assist.

To put that in context, Matthews played the most with Kapanen (591 minutes). If you project that rate out, that's 15 assists that Ennis would have gotten.

Kapanen, by the way, who is significantly better than Ennis in every category, put up 44 points.
- Monkeypunk

I think Mathews scored more with Kap than WN on average if I'm not mistaken.

Slightly different, as Nylander wasn't an ELC, so the formula was different.
- Atomic Wedgie

Trade him. Find someone who wants to be here. Tired of this crap.
My dream as a kid was to have the Leafs offer me $10mil a season to play hockey and me hold out for eleven. Yeah right. Let him play somewhere else. Have at it Mitch. Rather anther Kapi and Johnson and cap space than Marner.
- Bullot

IF Marner is actually going to hold out for 11.5 for 5, then yeah, trade him.

Wait and see though. It is hilarious that this stuff about them contacting a team in Zurich is now coming out and it was predicted back in June.

Pretty sure Dubas yawned when he heard that. This really does seem to be Ferris' MO.

So... wait and see what happens. Dubas will know when/if he has to be traded.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut. Don't say anything to the media about wether your keeping guys to not or what you might do.
- aminnes

Ya that’s true.. sometimes I think he gives too much info out in random interviews. All the Nylanderps LOVE Dubas.. I just hope he does what’s necessary to make this team as good as it can be, and that includes Marner.

Let Mitch go and play in Switzerland.

If everyone is waiting for him, they'll be 12 RFAs not playing this year.

Leafs shouldn't give in to Mitch and company. You could see this attitude coming. Pulled the wool over the eyes of many a fan

Go Wedgie!

This would be the best option for everyone.

Nylander + Bracco for RNH + Puljujarvi + 2nd.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I actually like this deal.

IF Marner is actually going to hold out for 11.5 for 5, then yeah, trade him.

Wait and see though. It is hilarious that this stuff about them contacting a team in Zurich is now coming out and it was predicted back in June.

Pretty sure Dubas yawned when he heard that. This really does seem to be Ferris' MO.

So... wait and see what happens. Dubas will know when/if he has to be traded.
- Aetherial

There isn't 11.5 to pay him, unless they give up a piece of the team they're building.
Might as well just give him up.
And maybe strengthen the team they are building.