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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Aug 20 @ 6:00 PM ET
There's no way of knowing for sure but I think many offer sheets went unsigned.
- golfingsince


I am guessing there were a few but I bet they were of the Bergevin variety.

I bet teams called and said what do you want...

If Marner's camp didn't out-right tell them to not bother, they probably said "same as Matthews" and teams weren't willing to do that.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Aug 20 @ 6:03 PM ET
I imagine they have targeted that... but it walks him to UFA no?

Not sure the Leafs have an appetite for that, the year before Matthews expires and Matthews will have a NMC that final year.

- Aetherial


Yeah, the Leafs don't want it. I'm just saying what the player should do, propose a totally reasonable 4 year deal. As a 26 year old UFA he should make it all back on the next deal.

The Leafs will still be able to retain him if they desire but it's going to cost. Then it makes his 5+ year proposals more palatable.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Aug 20 @ 6:05 PM ET
I am guessing there were a few but I bet they were of the Bergevin variety.

I bet teams called and said what do you want...

If Marner's camp didn't out-right tell them to not bother, they probably said "same as Matthews" and teams weren't willing to do that.

- Aetherial


Dubas best moves of the spring/summer were locking up his lower cost RFA's. Those were the guys that would have been good/decent targets as UFA's.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The Name Of The Game Is Hockey, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Aug 20 @ 6:06 PM ET
Marner will sign at the beginning of camp.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Aug 20 @ 6:09 PM ET
if an offer sheet is not signed, is it really an offer sheet?
- Tumbleweed

Especially when you threaten to visit other teams.

DF: We're gonna visit other teams come July 1st
Leafs: K
DF: Mitch, feel free to sign one of the offersheets
Mitch: I only want to play for the Leafs
DF: Mitch may go and play in Switzlerand with Anderson, Bennett, Rieder and Athanasiou
Leafs: K
leafluver27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.20.2012

Aug 20 @ 6:12 PM ET
Let him sit in the mountains. He’s not a goal scorer. Had one great year. He’s not a centre. He went missing vs boston after game 2. Mathews was definitely the better player. Marner has Tavares and Mathews has “pick a winger”.
leafluver27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.20.2012

Aug 20 @ 6:17 PM ET
This would be the best option for everyone.

Nylander + Bracco for RNH + Puljujarvi + 2nd.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Edmonton wouldn’t do that ever. He will be beaten just like Nylander was by Dubas. Nylander wanted Draisaitl money and settled for much less.

Mitch ain’t a centre
Ain’t a goal scorer
Disappears when things got tough vs Boston in playoffs
leafluver27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.20.2012

Aug 20 @ 6:20 PM ET
I Mitchy wants to play in Zurich for 5 or 6 mil, let him go. Kucherov signed for 9.5. I know about Florida state tax but 10 Mil US would be 13.3 mil in Canada
- caper_12

Getting paid bonus money and not salary money is taxed completely different
leafluver27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.20.2012

Aug 20 @ 6:22 PM ET
Yep!

Tyler Ennis could have put up 60 pts playing with Matthews. Nylander was dog-poop anywhere else in the lineup. They don’t need Nylander, at all. I think Dubas is coming to this realization. If he lets Marner sit, and the Leafs don’t get off to a hot start, Dubas is (frank)ed. Especially is Willy doesn’t get his swag back.

I have a feeling this could be a very interesting season. Some major changes could be on the horizon...

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ray Ferraro said Nylander starting mid December was impossible, I forget his quote, but something like, it’s like walking in your runners on the ice and everyone else is skating like a crazy person
leafluver27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.20.2012

Aug 20 @ 6:25 PM ET
I actually like this deal.
- dmnted

I bet you do lol
leafluver27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.20.2012

Aug 20 @ 6:26 PM ET
Trade him for Seth Jones and be done with it.
- TML IS ALL THAT MATTERS

I can only dream...
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 20 @ 6:28 PM ET
Ray Ferraro said Nylander starting mid December was impossible, I forget his quote, but something like, it’s like walking in your runners on the ice and everyone else is skating like a crazy person
- leafluver27

Nylander showed up out of shape.
leafluver27
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.20.2012

Aug 20 @ 6:33 PM ET
Nylander showed up out of shape.
- Atomic Wedgie

...sitting for 8 months and getting on the ice 3 months after everyone in the NHL is a complete waste of time...anyone with a brain knew that...complete gimme he wouldn’t be in the same shape as everyone else...6.9 million is perfect. I could care less if he’s paid all bonus money up front, they give him a house on the bridal path...that contract is great...bravo Dubas!
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 20 @ 6:36 PM ET
RJ says dibs on new location.
- Nuclear Wedgina

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Aug 20 @ 6:39 PM ET
GergesWillems says hi. He will be taking a little "me time" for the next couple days.
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 20 @ 6:42 PM ET
Then why are you so upset that Marner won't sign?

You don't care about the players - including Marner. You just want to watch the logo on the front of the sweater.

If what you wrote above was true, you'd be just as happy watching Bullot out there, instead of Marner.

Except, you know, it greatly decreases your chances of seeing the Leafs in the playoffs.

- Atomic Wedgie

i'm not the dumbtard buying tickets. i've been saying trade marner and/or nylander for like 2 months now.

let bullot play. hell let me play.
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 20 @ 6:44 PM ET
I'm not missing the point at all, chum.

As someone who actually pays to watch the Leafs play, I can assure you that paying elite players is something that I'm OK with.

Your working class hero diatribe about how you would be willing to play for the Leafs for no salary is completely irrelevant.

I don't want to see you play hockey. I'd rather see Mitch Marner, thank you very much.

- Atomic Wedgie

Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Aug 20 @ 6:46 PM ET
...sitting for 8 months and getting on the ice 3 months after everyone in the NHL is a complete waste of time...anyone with a brain knew that...complete gimme he wouldn’t be in the same shape as everyone else...6.9 million is perfect. I could care less if he’s paid all bonus money up front, they give him a house on the bridal path...that contract is great...bravo Dubas!
- leafluver27

Straight up cult.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Aug 20 @ 6:48 PM ET
GergesWillems says hi. He will be taking a little "me time" for the next couple days.
- Aetherial

Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Aug 20 @ 6:48 PM ET
You guys are really starting to unravel, eh?

Everyone’s so negative

I catch a lot of fuss, but you’re all snappier than usual, lol..

Seems like there’s a lot more MAGA’ts around “these parts” now..
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 20 @ 6:51 PM ET
You'd never get Seth Jones for Marner.

But yes, they should

- walshyleafsfan

Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 20 @ 6:53 PM ET
i'm not the dumbtard buying tickets. i've been saying trade marner and/or nylander for like 2 months now.

let bullot play. hell let me play.

- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns


It sure sucks that we finally have good players
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 20 @ 7:01 PM ET
It sure sucks that we finally have good players
- Canada Cup

thanks to manufactured parity there are lots of good players out there making less money or willing to play for the cap space toronto has. marner can get traded for them no problem and so can nylander. time to nip this poop in the bud. they are good players but they're not the only ones, they're just the ones toronto drafted who have been unwilling to play fair ball.
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 20 @ 7:09 PM ET
Or trade Nylander next summer to bring in defence.
- Atomic Wedgie


Exactly.

Or just trade Nylander to afford the Rielly and Andersen extensions.

Both make 10 AAV combined and that may go up to 18 AAV.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 20 @ 7:11 PM ET
thanks to manufactured parity there are lots of good players out there making less money or willing to play for the cap space toronto has. marner can get traded for them no problem and so can nylander. time to nip this poop in the bud. they are good players but they're not the only ones, they're just the ones toronto drafted who have been unwilling to play fair ball.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns

Fair ball?

Please enlighten us on how they haven't played fair.

Broken any rules?

Circumvented the CBA?

Kicked any puppies?
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