sooooo after negotiations Chuck settles in around 8 years $9mil?
- bmoreflyer

I think he holds strong and one or both of the other two sets the market.

At the end of the day its negotiations so you start high but $10M is just laughable.
- ClaudeFather

hahaha i could have swore i read that provorov said his new contract wasn't going to be a problem too, which makes me think this isn't true. but who knows?

If old AV comes out, Hagg will get his minutes, but it'll be Braun who will get missued. Guy does good when he's sheltered in the right role. He shouldn't sniff anywhere close to the first pair. Braun could be the new Marc Staal. Ranger fans have PTSD about sending Staal and/or Girardi out in late game situations in the late AV years after it was clear their useful shelf life was pretty much gone.
- 2sticks1puck

I don't think you're giving Braun enough credit here. Sure he had a down year last year, but even in that down year, he was still counted on by a team that went to the WCF's, being in late game situations against the other teams top lines, playing well over 20 minutes a game, and from what Sharks players had to say about him leaving, was that he had all of the players confidence when out there in those roles. He started in the d zone more than 60% of the time as well. I think a change of scenery as well as playing with perhaps a more offensively talented guy over Vlasic, either Ghost or Sanheim, may also motivate him a little more.

Hedger reports that other restricted free agent defencemen are currently waiting on Werenski and Philadelphia Flyers defenceman to set the set the market for them. Hedger adds "he's heard" Provorov's camp has asked for $10 million per season on a new deal, though that's likely on a longer-term deal.
Via TSN, i'll personally show him the door.
- ClaudeFather

Ten million is outrageous. (if true of course)

Time to start looking at alternatives.

Ten million is outrageous. (if true of course)

Time to start looking at alternatives.
- MBFlyerfan

Bill said his agent was a tough cookie

I don't think you're giving Braun enough credit here. Sure he had a down year last year, but even in that down year, he was still counted on by a team that went to the WCF's, being in late game situations against the other teams top lines, playing well over 20 minutes a game, and from what Sharks players had to say about him leaving, was that he had all of the players confidence when out there in those roles. He started in the d zone more than 60% of the time as well. I think a change of scenery as well as playing with perhaps a more offensively talented guy over Vlasic, either Ghost or Sanheim, may also motivate him a little more.
- sjk540

Every player is different. However, when guy in his 30s has a down year, especially the style that Braun plays, it isn't unreasonable to say that the trend would continue. Playing with Ghost or Sanheim could help him, Braun needs someone like that because he can't drive play on his own.

I'm not the biggest advanced metrics guy, but they show the Sharks bled way more chances with Braun on the ice than him off it. The +/- wouldn't concern me, but the number of times they were hemmed in the zone would.

I think there is value in defensive dmen like Braun, though it seems like the league may be evolving past guys like that. With the right usage, I think he will be serviceable though.

Bill said his agent was a tough cookie
- ClaudeFather

His agent can go pound sand.

I would go slightly south of 8mil on a long term deal for him only because the Flyers have zero #1 defensemen.

His agent can go pound sand.

I would go slightly south of 8mil on a long term deal for him only because the Flyers have zero #1 defensemen.
- Pelle31Forever

I don't think he'd take anything under 8 long term. But it's hard to say.

I really like Provorov, but $10 million a year for 8 years seems a bit steep. I would love to keep him w the Flyers for 8 more years, which would put him around 30 when the contract expires, but his agent has to come down in price for those 8 years. If Werenski takes the bridge deal, then it really hurts Provy's chances of getting $10 per year.

TK < 5Mil

Provorov < 7 mil

You heard it here first.

TK < 5Mil

Provorov < 7 mil

You heard it here first.
- Djapana

Boy do I pray you are right

Feels more and more likely that both will take bridge deals, tbh...

Anyone have any recommendations where to pick up tickets for flyers Nov 13 and the Eagles vs Pats on Nov 17? Hoping to score good sets at a reasonable price. Is there a company out there that does packages for Flyers and Eagles games?

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Konecny, Jones, TIFH and More
- bmeltzer

Those names are (frank)in sexy!

Fletcher got in on deals in June when he should have in sexy September!!

If he signs that, Werenski should fire his agent. You'd have to think after the exodus in Columbus he'd have all the leverage, or at least enough to ask for more than that.
- 2sticks1puck

Think RFA's are going towards bridge deals so they can cash in hard when the new TV deal hits. Also, Columbus would probably not mind him being an RFA after his next deal so they can retain some power over re-signing him instead of losing another star player to UFA

$10M is ridiculous. He is not the 3rd best defenseman in the league.
- jmatchett383

I would happily let him go to Russia rather than pay him such an absurd amount. The Flyers would still have eight dmen with NHL experience.

Sanheim-Niskanen
Ghost-Braun
Morin-Myers
Hagg-Friedman

I don’t think TK ends up in doghouse. Brings too much to the ice. He’s arguably our fastest skater, he’s pesky and gets under players skin, has great shot release and has proven he can score, as well as hang on a top line.
- arichardson22

Konency is headed into year four. I think he should be done with benching, unless he routinely comes up with bad habits that hurt the team.

I honestly believe Konency will be a lot like Briere in terms of clutch scoring one day. I love me some Travis Konecny.

Think RFA's are going towards bridge deals so they can cash in hard when the new TV deal hits. Also, Columbus would probably not mind him being an RFA after his next deal so they can retain some power over re-signing him instead of losing another star player to UFA
- HeeroYuy

That's why I if I think if Provorov was a guy who was going to be top 10-15 in the league, I'd give him the money now. Yeah, 8-9 million is a ton of money, but if the new TV deal comes out really big, the CBA further reduces contract lengths, and he keeps improving, it's quite possible that you could wind up paying over 10 million.

I think it's quite possible that a bunch of teams that have signed bridge deals might get burned.

TK < 5Mil

Provorov < 7 mil

You heard it here first.
- Djapana

No way Provo signs below 7

I hope ivan signs a bridge deal rather than overpay. If he shows he is worth it then you pay later.

That's why I if I think if Provorov was a guy who was going to be top 10-15 in the league, I'd give him the money now. Yeah, 8-9 million is a ton of money, but if the new TV deal comes out really big, the CBA further reduces contract lengths, and he keeps improving, it's quite possible that you could wind up paying over 10 million.
- 2sticks1puck

If you give Provorov $10m, it leaves about $2m for TK.

Also you said "keeps improving" but his last season was worse than his 2nd one. Considerably worse. For a good stretch there in 18-19 he was mishandling multiple routine passes/loose pucks per game.

If you give Provorov $10m, it leaves about $2m for TK.

Also you said "keeps improving" but his last season was worse than his 2nd one. Considerably worse. For a good stretch there in 18-19 he was mishandling multiple routine passes/loose pucks per game.
- Feanor

I think in terms of offensive output, his 2nd season may be an outlier like Trouba's was. He was admittedly banged up, and the whole team was a bit of a dumpster fire last year. I'm not sure I'd take a ton of stock in what last year was. What I do know about him is that he was playing at a high level since his first minute in the league.

My personal opinion is I think Sanheim is your best defender to build around. If you think that Provorov is the guy though, you have to figure out a way to lock him up long term.

I'm just curious, where do you guys rank Provy in terms of where he is relative to the league? Top 20 or 25?

If you give Provorov $10m, it leaves about $2m for TK.

Also you said "keeps improving" but his last season was worse than his 2nd one. Considerably worse. For a good stretch there in 18-19 he was mishandling multiple routine passes/loose pucks per game.
- Feanor

$10M AAV was probably his initial bargaining position. I'm sure the Flyers led or countered with $4M AAV or something. No need to get worked up, they'll meet in the middle.

If he really is maintaining an asking higher than $8M AAV, I'd honestly let him hold out until December, while working on moving him. It would suck, because he's home grown, and a high draft pick and all, but there's no way I'm paying a McDonagh 1B type 10%+ of the cap. He's not Doughty, Hedman, or anything close to that. He's not even Seth Jones.

Let's face it, Therrien and AV can get blue in the face over whatever, but they can't afford to bench TK. They're thin on the wing as is... who are they gonna put on a scoring line? Pitlick? Raffl? Lets get real here.


- Tomahawk

Reps of coaches for being tough on young players is really just a fan or media invention. Every coach has expectations and reasons for handling younger players. It's all pretty much the same. Some more lenient, some tougher but not much difference.

That's why I if I think if Provorov was a guy who was going to be top 10-15 in the league, I'd give him the money now. Yeah, 8-9 million is a ton of money, but if the new TV deal comes out really big, the CBA further reduces contract lengths, and he keeps improving, it's quite possible that you could wind up paying over 10 million.

I think it's quite possible that a bunch of teams that have signed bridge deals might get burned.
- 2sticks1puck

That is a good point, and it's actually why I would want to lock Konecny up long term to something like 6 million, but maybe bridge Provy until his game is more consistent and bite the bullet later. If this last season had been at the same level as his first two, I'd have no problem with the team committing long-term at a high-dollar amount, but everyone seemed to struggle this past year, so hopefully it was just an outlier season. Provy has also been asked to do a lot in his first seasons which probably plays into his performance last year.

Will be interesting to see how it all plays out, but if he is set firm on getting over like 8 million long-term, at this point, I don't think it would be prudent to gamble that much on potential.