I’m not buying it at all. No GM in the NHL would give Provy that even if he was a UFA. And if it’s true then he should fire his agent
- arichardson22

I agree, it's nonsense. If that's the ask, Fletcher should tell Provorov and his agent to prepare to sit out until your position becomes more reasonable.

Ugh I find the TK scenario annoying.

OMG he isn't a 200 Foot player all the time ...Time for the doghouse.

I'm just curious, where do you guys rank Provy in terms of where he is relative to the league? Top 20 or 25?
- 2sticks1puck

Near the bottom-end of what people would consider a '#1 dman' with guys like Faulk, McDonagh in his prime, and Edler in his prime. So maybe top-30?

There's a lot of great kids coming up across the league, and Prov lost ground this season.

Reps of coaches for being tough on young players is really just a fan or media invention. Every coach has expectations and reasons for handling younger players. It's all pretty much the same. Some more lenient, some tougher but not much difference.
- MJL

I wonder what Hak's reason was for benching Lindblom for Lehtera in what turned out to be his final game as an NHL coach.

Maybe it was the same solid reason he used Sanheim strictly in a third pairing role behind AHL-level guys like Manning and MacDonald.

Ugh I find the TK scenario annoying.

OMG he isn't a 200 Foot player all the time ...Time for the doghouse.
- opeth_pa

Do you know of any reason why Konecny can't improve his play away from the puck and stop making the same repeated mistakes?

I wonder what Hak's reason was for benching Lindblom for Lehtera in what turned out to be his final game as an NHL coach.
- Feanor

Veteran presence

I agree, it's nonsense. If that's the ask, Fletcher should tell Provorov and his agent to prepare to sit out until your position becomes more reasonable.
- MJL

Ten million is so out of whack that it makes you wonder which side really floated the figure.

And it looks like Bill Guerin will be the new Wild GM.

Reps of coaches for being tough on young players is really just a fan or media invention. Every coach has expectations and reasons for handling younger players. It's all pretty much the same. Some more lenient, some tougher but not much difference.
- MJL

I agree to an extent. The actual task of holding guys accountable is similar across the spectrum, yeah. All coaches are harder on young players, and more lenient with stars, and cherish their veteran plugs.

Judgement does come into play, tho. Where to draw the line, when to drop the hammer, how often, etc. There's some significant variance there.

Hakstol: Gone but Never Forgotten

Ugh I find the TK scenario annoying.

OMG he isn't a 200 Foot player all the time ...Time for the doghouse.
- opeth_pa

I think Konecny is beyond the benching tool coaches use to motivate/discipline young players.

Would be laughable if the new coaching staff does that if his play away from the puck isn’t quite up to snuff 100% of the time.

Nothing hakstol did while coaching should be used in reference to decisions moving forward.

Considering that hakstol benched someone for something and using that to efffect a current decision is like respecting a blind monkey for typing one of Shakespeare’s sonnets.

This was fun. Have to admit that Hayes willingness to tell all of Philly about his love of the Patriots actually makes me really hope he makes a great first impression on ice.

Go get ‘em, Hayes!

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...-1/t-277437426/c-68719103

Hedger reports that other restricted free agent defencemen are currently waiting on Werenski and Philadelphia Flyers defenceman to set the set the market for them. Hedger adds "he's heard" Provorov's camp has asked for $10 million per season on a new deal, though that's likely on a longer-term deal.
Via TSN, i'll personally show him the door.
- ClaudeFather

Provorov has all the leverage in the world, stock piling all those Ashbee awards.

I agree to an extent. The actual task of holding guys accountable is similar across the spectrum, yeah. All coaches are harder on young players, and more lenient with stars, and cherish their veteran plugs.

Judgement does come into play, tho. Where to draw the line, when to drop the hammer, how often, etc. There's some significant variance there.
- Tomahawk

It's really a feel thing and also about timing. You can help and hurt a young player by reducing his icetime. Every player responds differently. Like I said, it's mostly fan invented that one coach is so much harder on young players than others. As we've seen with some posters responses here, some just think you play the younger more talented player no matter what. Way too focused on who filled in for the player rather than focusing on the why and the potential to gain from using the coaching tool.

Provorov has all the leverage in the world, stock piling all those Ashbee awards.
- PLindbergh31

Has led the team in ice time all 3 seasons of his NHl career. He is their acknowledged best all-around D. Has never missed a game. Has a 17-goal season to his credit.

And if you are going to say "So what?;Who was his competition on their blue line to take those mins from him?" then, guess what, it speaks to the Provorov camp's leverage more than the Flyers.

Has led the team in ice time all 3 seasons of his NHl career. He is their acknowledged best all-around D. Has never missed a game. Has a 17-goal season to his credit.

And if you are going to say "So what?;Who was his competition on their blue line to take those mins from him?" then, guess what, it speaks to the Provorov camp's leverage more than the Flyers.
- bmeltzer

His "camp" does have quite the amount of leverage, when camp comes around and he's not there, or if it gets to the point where he may miss games, I bet he changes his tune and his"camp" does so as well.

His "camp" does have quite the amount of leverage, when camp comes around and he's not there, or if it gets to the point where he may miss games, I bet he changes his tune and his"camp" does so as well.
- ClaudeFather

Yeah... Mark Gandler has never had a client hold out or anything.

Bill said his agent was a tough cookie
- ClaudeFather

If he thinks Provorov is getting a deal with a 10 million aav, he’s an idiot.

Provorov is very good, but he’s not elite. He may be one day, but not today. I’d prefer to lock him up long term, say 6 years, but 40 million, aav 6.67 million, is as high as I’d go.

Yeah... Mark Gandler has never had a client hold out or anything.
- bmeltzer

That's a good sign for the Flyers then, come to reality quicker. Obviously Werenski or Macavoy signing speeds everything up but a report of them asking for $10M even as a negotiating starting point is insane.

If he thinks Provorov is getting a deal with a 10 million aav, he’s an idiot.

Provorov is very good, but he’s not elite. He may be one day, but not today. I’d prefer to lock him up long term, say 6 years, but 40 million, aav 6.67 million, is as high as I’d go.
- BiggE

The long term scares me, i think he's a great player but what the heck happened last year. Like the guy forgot to how to play hockey and it lasted the entire season, was he hurt from game 1 to game 82? I'd like a 4-5 year contract, I don't see him getting much higher in point totals because I dont even have him on PP2, imo Sanheim has pased him as PP2s Dman.

The long term scares me, i think he's a great player but what the heck happened last year. Like the guy forgot to how to play hockey and it lasted the entire season, was he hurt from game 1 to game 82? I'd like a 4-5 year contract, I don't see him getting much higher in point totals because I dont even have him on PP2, imo Sanheim has pased him as PP2s Dman.
- ClaudeFather

I’m not worried about him bouncing back, the whole team was a mess much of last season and when you’re the guy matching up against top lines, playing big PK minutes and a ton of overall ice time, then your struggles will stand out more than most.

I do agree that Sanheim is more gifted offensively and if they are going 4F/1D on the 2nd unit, Sanheim should be that D.

Do you know of any reason why Konecny can't improve his play away from the puck and stop making the same repeated mistakes?
- MJL

Nope, no reason he shouldn't play that way.

That being said I'm okay with him not being a 200 foot player if he still produces.

I’m not worried about him bouncing back, the whole team was a mess much of last season and when you’re the guy matching up against top lines, playing big PK minutes and a ton of overall ice time, then your struggles will stand out more than most.

I do agree that Sanheim is more gifted offensively and if they are going 4F/1D on the 2nd unit, Sanheim should be that D.
- BiggE

In my opinion there were a number of factors that contributed to his struggles. One was physical issues. More importantly, Provorov's heart and desire to excel and to win, along with what has really been a necessary but unfair burden placed on him since day one in the league, caught up to him. Trying to do too much instead of just letting the game flow. Really not unexpected and in my opinion, nothing to be alarmed about. Part of the development curve.

Nope, no reason he shouldn't play that way.

That being said I'm okay with him not being a 200 foot player if he still produces.
- opeth_pa

Produces is relative. Really if you want to have a championship level team, you need to be sound away from the puck, especially with your top players and players that are on the ice the most. Konecny to this point has not produced to the level that careless one way play can accepted and I doubt that he ever will get to that level. He doesn't have be a Selke level forward but he does have to be responsible away from the puck as well as manage the puck well. He does have to play hard in the defensive end. Look at the best teams. With few exceptions, their best players are responsible defensively.