Burke or Max?
- gergeswillems

Let's just say there's a lot of Tourette's in hockey punditry both professional and recreational.


PISS! PISSSSS! PISS IN YOUR OFFER SHEET FRANK!

Hello Lucas,

I think you are angrier at Brian Burke than his comments warrant. No one --- not even Auston Matthews --- has any idea what Auston will do in five years, except that he has to negotiate new contract somewhere. Brian Burke is entitled to his opinion. It doesn't mean that you have remind him about every bad trade he made while he was here.

Many high profile players in the prime of their careers opt to go home. Best recent cases in point are Johnny T and Kawhi.

Brian Burke's Toronto failures were due in part because he miscalculated the end of the "goon era" in the NHL. He wanted truculence. However, it would all have been much different if Reimer was better for 5 minutes in Game 7 in 2013 against Boston. That wasn't Burke's fault. That Kessel is an introvert was not his fault either.

And none of that has anything to do with his opinion about what Auston will do in 5 years --- hopefully after winning a couple of Stanley Cups with the Leafs.


Igor Ellyn

I would kill everyone on this thread for guacamole and corn chips right now.

Hello Lucas,

I think you are angrier at Brian Burke than his comments warrant. No one --- not even Auston Matthews --- has any idea what Auston will do in five years, except that he has to negotiate new contract somewhere. Brian Burke is entitled to his opinion. It doesn't mean that you have remind him about every bad trade he made while he was here.

Many high profile players in the prime of their careers opt to go home. Best recent cases in point are Johnny T and Kawhi.

Brian Burke's Toronto failures were due in part because he miscalculated the end of the "goon era" in the NHL. He wanted truculence. However, it would all have been much different if Reimer was better for 5 minutes in Game 7 in 2013 against Boston. That wasn't Burke's fault. That Kessel is an introvert was not his fault either.

And none of that has anything to do with his opinion about what Auston will do in 5 years --- hopefully after winning a couple of Stanley Cups with the Leafs.


Igor Ellyn
- iellyn

Burke's poopty Leaf teams are totally his fault.

You're right about AM not knowing though. Hopefully he marries some local lady and has a kid and then this is home. And they win the Cup this year anyway so I can be released from this glass pitcher.

I would kill everyone on this thread for guacamole and corn chips right now.
- Zezel

You can't eat them if you kill yourself you idiot

Hello Lucas,

I think you are angrier at Brian Burke than his comments warrant. No one --- not even Auston Matthews --- has any idea what Auston will do in five years, except that he has to negotiate new contract somewhere. Brian Burke is entitled to his opinion. It doesn't mean that you have remind him about every bad trade he made while he was here.

Many high profile players in the prime of their careers opt to go home. Best recent cases in point are Johnny T and Kawhi.

Brian Burke's Toronto failures were due in part because he miscalculated the end of the "goon era" in the NHL. He wanted truculence. However, it would all have been much different if Reimer was better for 5 minutes in Game 7 in 2013 against Boston. That wasn't Burke's fault. That Kessel is an introvert was not his fault either.

And none of that has anything to do with his opinion about what Auston will do in 5 years --- hopefully after winning a couple of Stanley Cups with the Leafs.


Igor Ellyn
- iellyn

This is true.
But burke did build those poopy teams

Hardly

Its a great beer.
- Fakepartofme

I did the steamwhistle tour a couple years ago after a jays game waiting for our dinner reservations. I probably had about 4-6 beers for the price of the tour, which was $10 I think.

The tour guide was awesome, but I think he had a crush on my wife. Either way I made out like a bandit as he would give her beer and I would drink hers and mine.

If werenskis agent is only asking for 3 x 5. He should be fired immediately.
I doubt its true.
- Fakepartofme

On a 3 year deal?

Yeah sounds about right.

Kuch got 4.5 for 3 years.

When we go to the states we don’t even have to have a budget set for booze because it’s so damn cheap. Buying pop (soda) and beer there hardly a difference in price.
- bryant

I live in Connecticut, where relatively speaking tax on booze is somewhat higher than most other states.

12 pack of Molson Ice bottles, $9.99.

Hello Lucas,

I think you are angrier at Brian Burke than his comments warrant. No one --- not even Auston Matthews --- has any idea what Auston will do in five years, except that he has to negotiate new contract somewhere. Brian Burke is entitled to his opinion. It doesn't mean that you have remind him about every bad trade he made while he was here.

Many high profile players in the prime of their careers opt to go home. Best recent cases in point are Johnny T and Kawhi.

Brian Burke's Toronto failures were due in part because he miscalculated the end of the "goon era" in the NHL. He wanted truculence. However, it would all have been much different if Reimer was better for 5 minutes in Game 7 in 2013 against Boston. That wasn't Burke's fault. That Kessel is an introvert was not his fault either.

And none of that has anything to do with his opinion about what Auston will do in 5 years --- hopefully after winning a couple of Stanley Cups with the Leafs.


Igor Ellyn
- iellyn

you were making sense until the Reimer commentary... which unfortunately for Leafs fans was exactly how "miscalculating Brian Burke" saw things as well...

yet another miscalculation.

does this anything to do with Matthews... nope - that part is clear.

but it sure does seem like it could cast doubt on just about anything that Burke has to say about players, players motivations, player behavior or player contracts.... outside of those areas - have at it... just don't ask Burke about hockey.

You can't eat them if you kill yourself you idiot
- BINGO!

What

I live in Connecticut, where relatively speaking tax on booze is somewhat higher than most other states.

12 pack of Molson Ice bottles, $9.99.
- BorjeFan4Ever

WHAT

We became strong because we drafted #1 #4 #5 #7 all in a few years
- Garnie

this is true... but those all turned out as good to very good players for the Leafs.

If you are looking for the counter point - ref Oilers - Edmonton.

WHAT
- Zezel

what what?

what what?
- BorjeFan4Ever

That's cheap beer, even for piss like Molson.

You can't eat them if you kill yourself you idiot
- BINGO!

good point

That's cheap beer, even for piss like Molson.
- Zezel

yupper...

its 1/2 the price of what you pay in Ontario.

conversely, I can buy a 12 pack of Creemore - which ever "color" I want for not much more than the price of Molson Ice...

that more premium stuff is better value in Ontario in my experience.

new blog everyone

Burke like many are overlooking the fact that the structure of the Matthews deal already benefits him just as if he was playing in a low tax state because of his citizenship.

Lucas Neilson: Brian Burke thinks Auston Matthews will leave Toronto
Thoughts?
- Lucas.Neilson

(frank) buston pussthews🤦‍♂️

he can go be hurt every year in the southwest 🤦‍♂️

he, female dog marner and greedy willi and kessel can go jack each other off in glendale when they win the president trophy then get crushed by grown men who care about their team more than money in the playoffs like every year here🤦‍♂️

On a 3 year deal?

Yeah sounds about right.

Kuch got 4.5 for 3 years.
- Santo_44

Who cares, that was 3 years ago he got that. Different landscape now.
His cap hit was 4.766

Lucas Neilson: Brian Burke thinks Auston Matthews will leave Toronto
Thoughts?
- Lucas.Neilson

auston matthews will be traded before year 5 begins because the leafs already know that matthews is probably planning to go home to arizona to play.

As a kid, Matthews would dream of lacing em up for the Seattle Granolas or whatever that hippie team will be called

Some opinions just have a bigger soap box to shout at people as they walk by.

I think Mathews would love to go home in 5 years.
In the mean time 5 years of Mathews could result in championships.

Most of the moves you mentioned were made after Burke was fired. Dave Bonus bought out Grabovski, Komisarek, Gleason, and signed Clarkson.

Dave Bolland was a solid Leaf for the 30 or so games he played, but he wanted big $$ so Nonis let him walk, rightfully so.

Burke made some goid moves. He brought in Francois Beauchemin, then flipped him for Lupul and Gardiner. He dumped Jason Blake and Toskala for Giguere, who was decent and got them out of Blakes contract. He drafted Reilly, got Phaneuf for spare parts, and at one point had a team built around Kessel and Phaneuf that actually looked good. Got to remember that 10 years ago those guys were two of the biggest name young players coming into their prime years and Burke managed to poach them both. Obviously the Kessel trade didn't age well, but the Leafs did get more out of Kessel than the Bruins did from Seguin, and now we have Kapanen because of Kessel, so we're still benefiting from it.

Burke was far from great, but he was sure as hell better than JFJ, Nonis, or semi-retired Fletcher.