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Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Aug 31 @ 11:25 AM ET
The Patriots have the best QB of all time comparing anything they do to what the Bills do is crazy

The Bills have spent money on their OL

They don't have to spend money on their QB at the moment because he is on his rookie deal

So if you have the ability to spend it without it hurting your ability to pay said QB when his rookie deal expires why wouldn't you?

- Stripes77


No, it's part of the Patriots plan. It's also just about everyone else's plan.

There is no way I'd want to give up significant assets to get Zeke (who is excellent) or Gordon (who had similar stats as his backup and has injury concerns) and then pay them a ton of cash to not perform measurably better than replacement level. Every year we see third round draft picks become stars. You can find them anywhere.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Aug 31 @ 11:26 AM ET
That was essentially one play. The Giants were able to pressure Brady up the middle. That's why they won.

Defense and running game still ultimately wins you Championships. The difference is that now this is a league where the passing game is what gets you there.

- buffalofan19


The Giants D played well, but the giants rushed for under 50 yards. Running did not win them the game. Defense I agree played a big part, but that throw and catch is why they won the superbowl
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Aug 31 @ 11:27 AM ET
They held Brady to 14 points because they had two bookend pass rushers and could afford to get after the passer with 4 guys and not bringing a rush.
- Swedish_Jesus


Exactly - you spend the money on playmakers. Running back is not a playmaking position and hasn't been for a long time.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Aug 31 @ 11:28 AM ET
Well done, I lol'd
- jcragcrumple



Thanks bro
Swedish_Jesus
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.02.2019

Aug 31 @ 11:28 AM ET
The Patriots have the best QB of all time comparing anything they do to what the Bills do is crazy

The Bills have spent money on their OL

They don't have to spend money on their QB at the moment because he is on his rookie deal

So if you have the ability to spend it without it hurting your ability to pay said QB when his rookie deal expires why wouldn't you?

- Stripes77


The Patriots have the best head coach of all time, who happens to be a defensive minded head coach. Brady is the best QB of all time no question though but that was just a perfect match made in heaven.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Aug 31 @ 11:32 AM ET


Thanks bro

- gerbe75pts


Why would you order a rice and bean burrito from Taco bell though? Gordita crunch or quesadilla is where it's at
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Aug 31 @ 11:33 AM ET
Let me put all of this a different way. If Zeke was on the street and I get him for nothing and then sign him to a 3 year, 30 million dollar contract would I do it? Yes, I would. I don't have to pay Allen for a bit and Zeke is a premier player in the league. Would I trade a ton of assets and then have to pay him 6 years for 70 mill? Nooooooooooo.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Aug 31 @ 11:37 AM ET
No, it's part of the Patriots plan. It's also just about everyone else's plan.

There is no way I'd want to give up significant assets to get Zeke (who is excellent) or Gordon (who had similar stats as his backup and has injury concerns) and then pay them a ton of cash to no perform measurably better than replacement level. Every year we see third round draft picks become stars. You can find them anywhere.

- Slump Buster



You're confusing what McCoy and his $9 million did last year to what those two RBs did

I can agree with you about not spending assets to acquire them.

I can agree about Gordon's injury concerns

I am not sending 1st round picks for them, but if you think you'll get the same production from a 3rd rounder than what those 2 bring you're out of your mind.

Btw Gordon's back ups when he was injured none of them had over 100 total yards of offense in any of those games the highest game total was 90 they averaged closer to 83 yards

Gordon averaged 115 total yards per game including the game he left early when he got hurt



Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Aug 31 @ 11:38 AM ET
You're confusing what McCoy and his $9 million did last year to what those two RBs did

I can agree with you about not spending assets to acquire them.

I can agree about Gordon's injury concerns

I am not sending 1st round picks for them, but if you think you'll get the same production from a 3rd rounder than what those 2 bring you're out of your mind.

Btw Gordon's back ups when he was injured none of them had over 100 total yards of offense in any of those games the highest game total was 90 they averaged closer to 83 yards

Gordon averaged 115 total yards per game including the game he left early when he got hurt

- Stripes77


You can get that kind of production out of a 3rd round back. It happens all the time. Would it really surprise you if Singletary outrushed pro bowl backs this year?
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Aug 31 @ 11:46 AM ET
You can get that kind of production out of a 3rd round back. It happens all the time. Would it really surprise you if Singletary didn't outrush pro bowl backs this year?
- Slump Buster



No it doesn't that's the thing, because 3 RBs drafted in the 3rd people think that's the normal

Kamara, David Johnson and Hunt

The others:

Gurley 1st rounder
Gordon 1st rounder
Ingram 1st rounder
McCoy (when he was good) 1st rounder
McCaffrey 1st rounder
Bell 2nd rounder
Mixon 2nd rounder
Barkley 1st rounder
Zeke 1st rounder

The top 4 RBs in all purpose yards from last season were drafted in the 1st round, and 2 of them had over 2000 all purpose yards and McCaffrey missed it by 5 yards
Swedish_Jesus
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.02.2019

Aug 31 @ 11:54 AM ET
No it doesn't that's the thing, because 3 RBs drafted in the 3rd people think that's the normal

Kamara, David Johnson and Hunt

The others:

Gurley 1st rounder
Gordon 1st rounder
Ingram 1st rounder
McCoy (when he was good) 1st rounder
McCaffrey 1st rounder
Bell 2nd rounder
Mixon 2nd rounder
Barkley 1st rounder
Zeke 1st rounder

The top 4 RBs in all purpose yards from last season were drafted in the 1st round, and 2 of them had over 2000 all purpose yards and McCaffrey missed it by 5 yards

- Stripes77


Phillip Lindsay is the exception but not the rule as you just mentioned.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Aug 31 @ 12:00 PM ET
Phillip Lindsay is the exception but not the rule as you just mentioned.
- Swedish_Jesus



Yeah I mean there are always going to be some exceptions but this notion that you can get good RBs in the 3rd all the time is wrong

You can get average RBs sure but until Allen shows me he can be a stud QB and only needs an average running game I want better than average
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Aug 31 @ 12:05 PM ET
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IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Aug 31 @ 12:31 PM ET


I question whether you watched that game

- jcragcrumple


Are you saying having good luck is the key to a SuperBowl Championship?
Sabres1523
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 12.27.2016

Aug 31 @ 1:52 PM ET
Exactly - you spend the money on playmakers. Running back is not a playmaking position and hasn't been for a long time.
- Slump Buster


Have you seen Alvin Kamara play?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Aug 31 @ 2:46 PM ET
Sure, you just don't do it with big money backs. That ship sailed for a reason. Gordon had similar stars as his backup. Same with Bell in pittsburgh. Don't get caught up in brands.
- Slump Buster

This guy gets it. Unless the back is a HOF-talent, you're better off just investing the big money/high picks on other positions. It's easier for a strong o-line/QB to make a mediocre RB look good, more than it is for a top RB to make a mediocre QB/O-Line look good.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Aug 31 @ 2:48 PM ET
Have you seen Alvin Kamara play?
- Sabres1523


Dudes like Kamara, Gurley(when healthy), Barkley, etc. are definitely exceptions to the rule. But I would not spend a high draft pick trading for Melvin Gordon and then signing him to a new contract. He's a very good back, but not a game breaking talent.
Over50
Location: Eyes without a face, NY
Joined: 02.23.2018

Aug 31 @ 4:29 PM ET
You're implying that Prescott isn't a decent qb. We will soon find out. Now only 9 back making more than 6 mill a year. You must know something that everyone else does not.
- Slump Buster

Dak is average in my opinion.
Never have I been overly impressed with his QB play.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 1 @ 3:08 AM ET
Dak is average in my opinion.
Never have I been overly impressed with his QB play.

- Over50


I feel like he's an Alex Smith type, he can get you into the playoffs and keep you competitive every year since he's a smart QB, but he needs weapons and a defense around him for a SB
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