Love how Carey Price is still coasting on his one unreal season. Best goalie in NHL20.
- AdamFrench

who do you rank ahead of him, vasilevsky, bob, gibson? holtby? rinne? fleury? rask? ande5en? i'm curious to see your goalie rankings

First interview after the signing. Said he wanted 8 but as we all know there’s a cap that teams have to work with so he settled for 5.
- shack67

Never saw antyhing of the sort.

If you do find that link, I'd appreciate it because it goes against much of what I originaly saw in that deal.

Yes well that's because he's the mother(frank)ing best Adam.
- Scabeh

With or without cigarillos?

who do you rank ahead of him, vasilevsky, bob, gibson? holtby? rinne? fleury? rask? ande5en? i'm curious to see your goalie rankings
- BestRapperAlive

Yes. Sometimes.

With or without cigarillos?
- AdamFrench

I'm more a fan of the "without" version of him.

I don't think anybody ever saw that.
- The Law

You don’t remember it so in your mind it didn’t happen. Nice

It’s easy enough to find but I don’t expect you to admit that you could be wrong about something.

Yes. Sometimes.
- AdamFrench

If I ever responded to my boss like this I think he'd hit me.

You don’t remember it so in your mind it didn’t happen. Nice

It’s easy enough to find but I don’t expect you to admit that you could be wrong about something.
- shack67

you can't really make a claim and expect people to disprove it instead of just proving it yourself lol

If I ever responded to my boss like this I think he'd hit me.
- TheMussel

Your boss would be an admiral and in Star Trek tradition, this means he's a bad guy.

Your boss would be an admiral and in Star Trek tradition, this means he's a bad guy.
- AdamFrench

LOLOL, says the Kings fan.
- bixll

No. Says the Leafs fan.

I like Dubas. A lot. I'm a big fan of the majority of the things he's done.

But I'm not a fanboy who can't call a spade a spade. Matthews contract was a let down. Too much $$ for only a five year term. Getting at least a 6th year would also have resulted in Matthews and Tavares' contracts expiring at the same time, opening up a lot more flexibility when AM is looking to hit pay dirt again.

No. Says the Leafs fan.

I like Dubas. A lot. I'm a big fan of the majority of the things he's done.

But I'm not a fanboy who can't call a spade a spade. Matthews contract was a let down. Too much $$ for only a five year term. Getting at least a 6th year would also have resulted in Matthews and Tavares' contracts expiring at the same time, opening up a lot more flexibility when AM is looking to hit pay dirt again.
- poopstash

So, because i don't agree with you. I am called a fan boy... ok. Gotcha.

Your boss would be an admiral and in Star Trek tradition, this means he's a bad guy.
- AdamFrench

I told my boss what you said. GL

You don’t remember it so in your mind it didn’t happen. Nice

It’s easy enough to find but I don’t expect you to admit that you could be wrong about something.
- shack67

Well to be fair to you I didn't look and maybe he said it ...but, what does it even mean? I was taking a shot at the idea that him saying he'd have preferred 8 years actually means anything.

Every player would want more guaranteed income as long as it came at a number that made sense (ie. More money ...probably a lot more money). And every team would want a long term deal on a young superstar as long as the number made sense.

Moral of my long winded story - every player in the history of sport could say "My preference was a long term deal" .....it's meaningless.

So, because i don't agree with you. I am called a fan boy... ok. Gotcha.
- bixll

I stated that I am not a fanboy. Merely pointing that I can find fault in Dubas and see both the good and the bad. Nowhere in my statement did I call you or anyone else a fanboy. So if I'm calling you out on anything at this point, it's reading comprehension.

No. Says the Leafs fan.

I like Dubas. A lot. I'm a big fan of the majority of the things he's done.

But I'm not a fanboy who can't call a spade a spade. Matthews contract was a let down. Too much $$ for only a five year term. Getting at least a 6th year would also have resulted in Matthews and Tavares' contracts expiring at the same time, opening up a lot more flexibility when AM is looking to hit pay dirt again.
- poopstash

Dubas couldn't control the term unless he was prepared to pay a lot more money or risk another holdout.

The $$ is a bit high over 5 years I think but how much? His 5 x 11.6 works out to being less than the 5 yr deals signed by Crosby and Malkin but more than Stamkos, Kane, Toews.

Dubas couldn't control the term unless he was prepared to pay a lot more money or risk another holdout.

The $$ is a bit high over 5 years I think but how much? His 5 x 11.6 works out to being less than the 5 yr deals signed by Crosby and Malkin but more than Stamkos, Kane, Toews.
- The Law

Yep. Malkin and Crosby are higher. That's about it though.

And if you expand the analysis and include star centermen who recently signed six year deals coming off ELC's (where you would expect a higher cap hit) it looks uglier.

Dubas couldn't control the term unless he was prepared to pay a lot more money or risk another holdout.

The $$ is a bit high over 5 years I think but how much? His 5 x 11.6 works out to being less than the 5 yr deals signed by Crosby and Malkin but more than Stamkos, Kane, Toews.
- The Law

It's not a gross overpayment by any means (maybe $2 mln or so). And I'd rather be paying a legitimate star too much money (versus previous regimes overpaying the David Clarkson's of the world).

Yep. Malkin and Crosby are higher. That's about it though.

And if you expand the analysis and include star centermen who recently signed six year deals coming off ELC's (where you would expect a higher cap hit) it looks uglier.
- poopstash

Ya, I think the bottom line is that he was able to successfully argue/negotiate that he was closer to Malkin then he was to Stamkos.

Were any of the elite young 6 yr guys in that class of player? I wouldn't count Monohan, Eberle, Gaudreau in that class. I think they were a step or two down.

Note: - Tavares got (frank)ed.

you can't really make a claim and expect people to disprove it instead of just proving it yourself lol
- daeth

Me and my 11" wiener disagree with this statement.

you can't really make a claim and expect people to disprove it instead of just proving it yourself lol
- daeth

This is the society that we live in now.

1. Make outrageous and unfounded claim
2. Place burden of proof on person you're debating and tell them to "do some digging"
3. ????
4. MAGA

It's not a gross overpayment by any means (maybe $2 mln or so). And I'd rather be paying a legitimate star too much money (versus previous regimes overpaying the David Clarkson's of the world).
- poopstash

Well to get specific I think SS inflates out to about 5 x 9.5 in today's cap world and Malkin inflates out to about 5 x 12.5.

Maybe SS contract has the "Florida" after-tax factor a little bit so I'd say the real 5 year comp (ie. best case vs. worst case) was somewhere between 10 - 12.5.

Middle of that is 11.25 ......

Plus he's "the guy" so you're not going to war over 1/2 milly with him. For me it's about 600k - 1 milly overpayment.

But I think it'll be forgotten when he chalks up a couple of elite awards the next few years.

Me and my 11" wiener disagree with this statement.
- Atomic Wedgie

i dont want any proof of this

or do i

You don’t remember it so in your mind it didn’t happen. Nice

It’s easy enough to find but I don’t expect you to admit that you could be wrong about something.
- shack67

So here's a link to the actual transcript of the post-signing presser:

https://mapleleafshotstov...ibility-as-we-move-ahead/

Dubas says that the Matthews camp wanted 8 years:

How does a five-year deal allow you to be more flexible than an eight-year deal?

Dubas: I just think the nature of way deals are in hockey, the younger players, if you want the longer-term, you are also taking up more of their prime, so the AAV rises. Certainly, that [eight years] was the intention from the beginning on Auston’s side. They were focused on that. Just as we kind of worked through it together, having more discussions, we are trying to balance keeping this together while also contending and not having to delete parts from it. We are very thankful that they were willing to move from their desired term. Everyone wants to be here for as long as possible, but we were able to find an AAV that works for everybody. We were able to lock him in and also to maintain some flexibility as we move ahead. That’s how it sort of all came to be.

Matthews dodges the issue:

McDavid and Eichel signed for eight years. How did you arrive at five?

Matthews: A lot of guys have done five years before. I think we understand the cap restraints that we have and that the league and every single team has. We kind of went through everything from three to eight and settled on five. I think both sides are obviously happy and happy to get this over with and move on. For myself, I am proud, and for my family, extremely excited.

Laine will move on from Winnipeg as soon as he can. One of the very best pure goal scorers in the League and not even in his prime yet. Incredible that the Jets with many older core players move Trouba out for a questionable return. It would have been far better IMO to move older and broken down Byfuglien out over Trouba.
- winsix

Maybe they tried moving buff, but couldn’t