I mean, you’re absolutely right.

Because a puck went an inch too high, on 1 of *10* (frank)ing scoring chances Kucherov had in 1, game, which put him under his “average” for PPG, that actually means Ristolainen played good defense against him.

Sound (frank)ing logic I’ll tell ya.

Flat earthers >>> Risto truthers
- OneKaneOneCup

You can't account for luck in your stats. Luck plays a huge factor in hockey, the most out of any major NA team sport, therefore, your stats can't be the be all, end all that you make them out to be. It's like you're being intentionally dense because you hate a player. When you bring +/- into it(a stat you used to claim to loathe), like you did numerous times at the end of the year, you have fully jumped the shark.

I mean, you’re absolutely right.

Because a puck went an inch too high, on 1 of *10* (frank)ing scoring chances Kucherov had in 1, game, which put him under his “average” for PPG, that actually means Ristolainen played good defense against him.

Sound (frank)ing logic I’ll tell ya.

Flat earthers >>> Risto truthers
- OneKaneOneCup

That's also not what I said. I said "held serve". You act like a handful of games means (frank)-all. Yet claim to have a deep understand of stats. You can't have it both ways. You are the cherry picking master. You're worse than HardHat in practicing what you preach.

You can't account for luck in your stats. Luck plays a huge factor in hockey, the most out of any major NA team sport, therefore, your stats can't be the be all, end all that you make them out to be. It's like you're being intentionally dense because you hate a player. When you bring +/- into it(a stat you used to claim to loathe), like you did numerous times at the end of the year, you have fully jumped the shark.
- Wetbandit1

Except you’re using luck. I’m not

Generating scoring chances - Skill
Scoring chances actually going in the net - Skill + luck

Dude, he had 10 individual scoring chances in a single game against us.

That’s 5x his season average.

There’s 0 evidence we shut him down defensively or played well against him.

The only evidence is he either got unlucky or we made saves

Except you’re using luck. I’m not

Generating scoring chances - Skill
Scoring chances actually going in the net - Skill + luck

Dude, he had 10 individual scoring chances in a single game against us.

That’s 5x his season average.

There’s 0 evidence we shut him down defensively or played well against him.

The only evidence is he either got unlucky or we made saves
- OneKaneOneCup

That's kinda my whole point. The stats themselves are borderline at best. Over careers, maybe, but even then there are likely too many variables to sort through. And then you have the whole heap of correlation and chicken/egg. You act like results don't matter, when in fact, they're the only thing that does. Luck must be factored in, as the video/book shows the NHL is the most luck dependent team sport. 53% of regular season outcomes are luck based. BTW it was a guy who likes stats that wrote the book that the video is about.

3. The fans that like risto, and realize this has a ror "trophy tour" season written all over it, if we trade him.

4. Keep risto instead of trading him at an all time low in his career. It's a value thing, and last year wasnt his best.

5. The fans that want risto gone. Never played any level of meaningful hockey, and do not realize the importance of physical play. You know who you are.
- Boss34

6. Fans who think Risto totally blows but want a #2 center for him because they know more than NHL scouts and GM's who can be fleeced.

That's kinda my whole point. The stats themselves are borderline at best. Over careers, maybe, but even then there are likely too many variables to sort through. And then you have the whole heap of correlation and chicken/egg. You act like results don't matter, when in fact, they're the only thing that does. Luck must be factored in, as the video/book shows the NHL is the most luck dependent team sport. 53% of regular season outcomes are luck based. BTW it was a guy who likes stats that wrote the book that the video is about.
- Wetbandit1

Individual scoring chances are results

That's kinda my whole point. The stats themselves are borderline at best. Over careers, maybe, but even then there are likely too many variables to sort through. And then you have the whole heap of correlation and chicken/egg. You act like results don't matter, when in fact, they're the only thing that does. Luck must be factored in, as the video/book shows the NHL is the most luck dependent team sport. 53% of regular season outcomes are luck based. BTW it was a guy who likes stats that wrote the book that the video is about.
- Wetbandit1

You’re making my point for me

6. Fans who think Risto totally blows but want a #2 center for him because they know more than NHL scouts and GM's who can be fleeced.
- GilPerreault11

You should go read the Paul Fenton article and then try and tell us why NHL GM’s should be put on some pedestal of hockey knowledge.

A lot of them are pretty bad at their jobs. And the same ones get hired over and over again

That's a good one.
- Wetbandit1

I’m not joking

First Tampa game

Sabres 2
Tampa 1

Ristolainen

Shot % - 44%
Scoring chance% - 50%

Not horrible, also not good

Second game - 5 to 4 Tamps

Ristolainen

Shot % - 29%
Scoring chance%- 15%

Pretty awful

Third Tampa game - 5 to 3 Tampa

Ristolainen

Shot % - 31% worst of all D men again
Scoring chance % - 38%

Another pretty bad performance

4th Tampa game 2-1 SO loss

Ristolainen

Shot % - 31% second worst among D
Scoring chance % 30%


Congratulations he had one game where the Sabres were at 50% for either shots or scoring chances while he was on the ice
- OneKaneOneCup

and yet the STATS are the same if he is on the ice Against Tampa's first line or Larry from lockport is defending billy Joe nobody on the forth line... So obviously Larry is better. Ristro plays big minutes against every other teams tops lines... and Jack, Jeff and Sam are not really known for helping in the defensive zone. We are not saying he is a #1 man but he a good player and we need MORE good players not less.

I’m not joking
- gerbe75pts

Dude you can't even beat your microwave....

and yet the STATS are the same if he is on the ice Against Tampa's first line or Larry from lockport is defending billy Joe nobody on the forth line... So obviously Larry is better. Ristro plays big minutes against every other teams tops lines... and Jack, Jeff and Sam are not really known for helping in the defensive zone. We are not saying he is a #1 man but he a good player and we need MORE good players not less.
- gordong

Larsson is a better bottom 6 player than Ristolainen is a top pair D man and I’m not sure it’s close.

The “he plays against top lines” is offset and then some by the fact that he get the most ice time with Jack Eichel and Skinner of any D man.

Just wait until he primarily plays with Evan Rodrigues and Zemgus Girgensons against other 3rd and 4th lines and he gets scored on a little less and also puts up a lot less offense

Dude you can't even beat your microwave....
- gordong

Post of the day I laughed so hard

Risto has one good game against Nikita Kucherov and apparently he’s God what about his other 600 minuses

Yo that Jared goff contract is Insane Patrick Mahomes is probably going to get 200 million guaranteed

Next time I’m near the boards I’ll get my stick stuck in the corner and make sure I spearmint him in the stomach
- gerbe75pts

Risto is such a fake tough guy, so much so that to prove it, you'll spear him in the stomach if he tried to push you around. Don't know how that doesn't make you the female dog in this scenario, but ok. Risto = female dog tits

Kucherov/ Tampa Bay against the division:
Vs Boston
3-1
2g 2a, 11 shots, 18.2% shooting

Vs Buffalo
3-1
3g 3a, 17 shots, 17.6% shooting

Vs Detroit
4-0
4g 3a, 17 shots, 23.5% shooting

Vs Florida
4-0
4g 5a, 11 shots, 36.4% shooting

Vs Montreal
3-1
2g 4a, 9 shots, 22.2% shooting

Vs Ottawa
3-1
1g 4a, 9 shots, 11.1% shooting

Vs Toronto
3-1
2g 3a, 11 shots, 18.2% shooting

Total Vs the division
23-5
18g 24a, 85 shots, 21.2% shooting

Risto is such a fake tough guy, so much so that to prove it, you'll spear him in the stomach if he tried to push you around. Don't know how that doesn't make you the female dog in this scenario, but ok. Risto = female dog tits
- SDSabre

In hockey yes because I know he won’t fight ..

If it was outside it be over

You’re making my point for me
- OneKaneOneCup

How so? And no, results are wins, the only way to win is to score goals. Goals are what result from a combination of skill and luck.

Are you really going to try and tell me a shot from the point is the same amount of danger regardless of traffic? How about one 2' out? I can think of many much more dangerous shots from 2' out that aren't rebound opportunities, yet, they're considered less dangerous. Like a nice backdoor pass to a wide open net, or a sleeping goalie getting caught on a wrap around, but no, the stats say that just a poopty clean shot with nothing on it that bounced off the goalie's pads and gets shot right back into his crest is more dangerous, and that's just plain stupid.

In hockey yes because I know he won’t fight ..

If it was outside it be over
- gerbe75pts

What the (frank) are you babbling about?

He would crush you.

I don't know if you're aware of a terrible phrase from before you were born, but "it would be a two hit fight. Him hitting you, and you hitting the ground."

You couldn't trip him with a shotgun.

Dude you can't even beat your microwave....
- gordong

Or his oven.

Or his oven.
- Wetbandit1

Oh, and his fridge. Almost forgot about that one.

That was not as bad as expected.

In hockey yes because I know he won’t fight ..

If it was outside it be over
- gerbe75pts

So because he won't fight in hockey ( we'll disagree, but ok) you think the appropriate response to show that HE is a female dog is to essentially a cheap shot.

Got it.

Ristolainen, by definition of his defense statistics, is at most an average defenseman that should be defending average to below average talent.

Put him on the powerplay if you want him to score points.

The end.