Yeah that's why when looking at quality of competition, Lowry consistently has a 49 and below Corsi against other teams top lines. I guess we have a different idea of what high level play driving is.
- TheUltimateJet

So does sheifele, so he sucks to?

So does sheifele, so he sucks to?
- Ross77

He gets 36 goals, is a point per game player and makes everyone he plays with better. Comparing him to Lowry is like comparing a Mazaratti to a Pinto.

He gets 36 goals, is a point per game player and makes everyone he plays with better. Comparing him to Lowry is like comparing a Mazaratti to a Pinto.
- TheUltimateJet

Well, the last two seasons have Scheifele in the negatives for Corsi/rel at 5v5, so he really doesn’t make people that much better in comparison to Lowry. And while his goal total for is way higher, his goal total against is way higher as well.

No piece of evidence supports that QoC balances out.
- TheUltimateJet

You’re right. There’s a great many.
Even thinking logically, you can see how it levels out. If the Jets are on the road, most teams will go out of their way to have the top line dodge Scheifele and TLC. Super easy concept.

Has anyone ever considered that for the past 2 seasons, the Jets were going for the Cup and that because of that, veterans were played ahead of rookies ?
- bennythehat

NHL coaches who load their line-ups up with too many rookies are a lot of times soon former NHL coaches. I think Maurice has enough experience to realize that.

Being an NHL rookie is not an entitlement to NHL ice time (unless your name is McDavid, Eichel, maybe Hughes, etc.) - you ave to earn your time. This normally takes a while to become full-time players. Unfortunately, or otherwise, this often takes an injury to prove you have earned your time.

I'm thinking (hoping)that Niku, Roslovic and Appleton will get significant more ice time this season, having more experience after sniffs in the past. Would be nice if Logan Stanley came into camp and surprised and took a job but not sure this happens.

Can see Vesalainen at least starting in minors (depending on Connor and Laine) but hopefully ready when injuries occur, and they will occur.

But all's good thus far - we're tied for first place overall!

Peter Tessier: Before camp opens the Jets have to address issues
There are many questions due to roster changes and contract statuses but understanding the past is where the Jets can figure out a better future.
- Peter.Tessier

Ras will hopefully make a strong push for 2C. Tanev can be replaced by his body double, Perrault, who is more than capable to produce on the third line. Biggest unknowns that may leave the jets exposed are 2C, and 2LD.

He gets 36 goals, is a point per game player and makes everyone he plays with better. Comparing him to Lowry is like comparing a Mazaratti to a Pinto.
- TheUltimateJet

So you completely missed my point about them having the same stat against opponents, you know, the point you made to rip Lowry?

Everyone wanting Roslovic, Appleton and Vesalainen to play more, who’s ice time do you have them taking?

This only happens if Connor or Laine hold out. Which at this point with some rumoured numbers, I actually hope happens.

Can’t be handing out more money than they deserve to get on a long term deal for only a bridge, insane if it happens

Everyone wanting Roslovic, Appleton and Vesalainen to play more, who’s ice time do you have them taking?

This only happens if Connor or Laine hold out. Which at this point with some rumoured numbers, I actually hope happens.

Can’t be handing out more money than they deserve to get on a long term deal for only a bridge, insane if it happens

Everyone wanting Roslovic, Appleton and Vesalainen to play more, who’s ice time do you have them taking?

This only happens if Connor or Laine hold out. Which at this point with some rumoured numbers, I actually hope happens.

Can’t be handing out more money than they deserve to get on a long term deal for only a bridge, insane if it happens
- Ross77

Take 2 minutes away from both the Scheifele and Lowry line on average each game.

Everyone wanting Roslovic, Appleton and Vesalainen to play more, who’s ice time do you have them taking?

This only happens if Connor or Laine hold out. Which at this point with some rumoured numbers, I actually hope happens.

Can’t be handing out more money than they deserve to get on a long term deal for only a bridge, insane if it happens
- Ross77

Can see one of Appleton/Roslovic taking Tanev's position, perhaps Roslovic more time as 2nd line centre or replacing Connor/Laine on wing. If Appleton not on 3rd line, should be some 4th line minutes available
Unless Vesalainen has big camp, or maybe even if he does, starting season in AHL, until the inevitable injuries occur.
Agree about not handing out outlandish contracts, can definitely see Laine holding out. They've got to leave room for more $$$ for Morrissey, Roslovic and Niku next year

Nice to see Morrissey say that he'd love to stay in Winnipeg long term. Class guy and IMHO our best defenseman.

Keller signs long term in Arizona. Conner and Keller are "somewhat" comparable so $7.1 MM is a bit of a base number to add or subtract from.

Nice to see Morrissey say that he'd love to stay in Winnipeg long term. Class guy and IMHO our best defenseman.

Keller signs long term in Arizona. Conner and Keller are "somewhat" comparable so $7.1 MM is a bit of a base number to add or subtract from.
- jetsnation

yes, hope they get Morrisey locked up now, something like 7 x 7 ?

IMO, Connor will get 7.2 per x 6 or 7 years, Laine will get 6 per x 3 years,

NHL coaches who load their line-ups up with too many rookies are a lot of times soon former NHL coaches. I think Maurice has enough experience to realize that.

Being an NHL rookie is not an entitlement to NHL ice time (unless your name is McDavid, Eichel, maybe Hughes, etc.) - you ave to earn your time. This normally takes a while to become full-time players. Unfortunately, or otherwise, this often takes an injury to prove you have earned your time.

I'm thinking (hoping)that Niku, Roslovic and Appleton will get significant more ice time this season, having more experience after sniffs in the past. Would be nice if Logan Stanley came into camp and surprised and took a job but not sure this happens.

Can see Vesalainen at least starting in minors (depending on Connor and Laine) but hopefully ready when injuries occur, and they will occur.

But all's good thus far - we're tied for first place overall!
- grahamzky

You are a wise man.

yes, hope they get Morrisey locked up now, something like 7 x 7 ?

IMO, Connor will get 7.2 per x 6 or 7 years, Laine will get 6 per x 3 years,
- Ross77

that won't do it for a long term contract for Morrisey, likely closer to 8.5 or 9 if this season is as strong as last and with contracts inflating quickly. A recent comparable is the Trouba contract, also Buff's contract to compare with and JM is arguably the more valuable of the three.

I think a six or seven year contract for Connor looks more like 8m/season and if 6 is Laine's number it would be on a 1 year contract. 3 years is more like 8m.

yes, hope they get Morrisey locked up now, something like 7 x 7 ?

IMO, Connor will get 7.2 per x 6 or 7 years, Laine will get 6 per x 3 years,
- Ross77

Perfect!

So you completely missed my point about them having the same stat against opponents, you know, the point you made to rip Lowry?
- Ross77

The same stats against opponents, how many points did Lowry get last year against opponents?

that won't do it for a long term contract for Morrisey, likely closer to 8.5 or 9 if this season is as strong as last and with contracts inflating quickly. A recent comparable is the Trouba contract, also Buff's contract to compare with and JM is arguably the more valuable of the three.

I think a six or seven year contract for Connor looks more like 8m/season and if 6 is Laine's number it would be on a 1 year contract. 3 years is more like 8m.
- 2.0

Thinking the Jets may want to see if Josh is 100% healthy after his injury last year.
Similarly, think Josh also may want to see what Connor gets. Jets can add a NMC to his offer? $7-8 with a NMC? He'll want as much at least as Kyle. But Josh needs to be signed ASAP.

Wonder if the Keller signing might start a dominoes effect? Hopefully!

You’re right. There’s a great many.
Even thinking logically, you can see how it levels out. If the Jets are on the road, most teams will go out of their way to have the top line dodge Scheifele and TLC. Super easy concept.
- Rexypoo

Rexypoo, you still have not provided any numbers or statistics that back up this claim.

Just saying.

Thinking the Jets may want to see if Josh is 100% healthy after his injury last year.
Similarly, think Josh also may want to see what Connor gets. Jets can add a NMC to his offer? $7-8 with a NMC? He'll want as much at least as Kyle. But Josh needs to be signed ASAP.

Wonder if the Keller signing might start a dominoes effect? Hopefully!
- grahamzky

I think Morriseey gets what Trouba got in NY.

The same stats against opponents, how many points did Lowry get last year against opponents?
- TheUltimateJet

again misquoting me, lets try again. you said lowry's corsi was 49 against others teams top opponents and because of this he was no good, I said ,well shief's was the same so does that mean he sucks to?

are we clear now? lol

trying to spin this like I'm saying lowry is as good as shief is weak on your part, I was just trying to point out a stat YOU used to point out Lowry was no good that Sheif actually shares that exact stat.

and do you honestly expect lowry or anyone would get the same points as shief with tanev and copp compared to wheeler and connor with no pp time and less overall ice time? cause that seems fair.

that won't do it for a long term contract for Morrisey, likely closer to 8.5 or 9 if this season is as strong as last and with contracts inflating quickly. A recent comparable is the Trouba contract, also Buff's contract to compare with and JM is arguably the more valuable of the three.

I think a six or seven year contract for Connor looks more like 8m/season and if 6 is Laine's number it would be on a 1 year contract. 3 years is more like 8m.
- 2.0

but i was making the morrisey prediction as if he signs now, before the season as it's been reported they are talking now. Morrisey hasn't put up numbers that Trouba or buff have yet so it makes sense for the Jets to try and get this done now.

i can also see your #'s for connor and laine being right, i just hope I'm right and chevy sticks to his guns.

but i was making the morrisey prediction as if he signs now, before the season as it's been reported they are talking now. Morrisey hasn't put up numbers that Trouba or buff have yet so it makes sense for the Jets to try and get this done now.

i can also see your #'s for connor and laine being right, i just hope I'm right and chevy sticks to his guns.
- Ross77

i might be high on Connor but also believe that both sides have to bargain hard for their best interest.

Rexypoo, you still have not provided any numbers or statistics that back up this claim.

Just saying.
- TheUltimateJet

I don’t have the time, or the care. It’s so easy to understand

that won't do it for a long term contract for Morrisey, likely closer to 8.5 or 9 if this season is as strong as last and with contracts inflating quickly. A recent comparable is the Trouba contract, also Buff's contract to compare with and JM is arguably the more valuable of the three.

I think a six or seven year contract for Connor looks more like 8m/season and if 6 is Laine's number it would be on a 1 year contract. 3 years is more like 8m.
- 2.0

Morrissey won’t get anywhere near 8-9. He might get 7. Whether or not Morrissey is better than Buff and Trouba when he signs (he will be) doesn’t matter. He doesn’t have the flashy outbursts Trouba offers (odd highlight reel goals ,bomb shot, heavy hits), nor does he have the high visibility habit of taking over entire games like Buff.
He’s subtle, steady as all hell, and endlessly reliable. He also doesn’t put up as many points as a top paid dman is expected to, so even if he is utterly dominant in terms of defence and play driving, he’s not getting mega-paid until he hits 50+ points