if Bob is a coin toss, than the leafs goaltending is also a coin toss.

last year Bob had what could be considered a "statistically down year" and his numbers were virtually identical to Andersen, who had arguably his best year as a pro.
- haywoodjablome

Right? Andersen is all over the place...



... oh wait.

I think their off season is being blown way over board. Trouba is a loss, no doubt! But Myers, Chairot and Tanev are all easily replaceable. We were and still are one of the youngest teams with lots of guys itching for more playing time. I’m more concerned with Maurice and his same old boring systems and lines, not worried about the players
- Ross77

Once Connor and Laine are signed, Jets will be just fine. Despite losing Trouba who is amazing.

Maurice has been a problem for a while now. Him leaving would be a blessing for Winnipeg.

Barrie is similar to Gardiner defensively but he's better offensively. I see it as an upgrade.... probably not as big as some do around here but an upgrade none the less.

Ceci does suck though, that is 100% confirmed and true.

Leafs biggest upgrade might come from within with guys like Dermott (once he comes back from injury) and Sandin making their mark.
- Scabeh

i would say he's slightly better offensively, but they're both basically 50pt dmen......if it's an upgrade, it's a small upgrade, and not enough to make up for the tire fire that will be Ceci on the top pair.......i've never felt sorry for a leaf player before, until i heard Rielly's prize for having a norris calibre year last year, is getting to play with Ceci.

i agree that maybe in the long term, guys like Dermott and Sandin are possibly the answer, but they aren't the guys to put the leafs over the top and ahead of the tampa's and Boston's of the league this season

Right? Andersen is all over the place...



... oh wait.
- gravyface

thank you for pointing out the Andersen's norm is on par with Bob's "down year"........like i said, if he's a question mark in Fla, then you guys are (frank)ED in goal.

Bob is BY FAR the better goalie.......so like i said, if you're questioning Bob in Florida, then you should be terrified at your goalie situation.

I recall Buffalo had the best McDavid ping pong ball?
- Leafsandbolts

Before the last ball dropped, at that point, the Leafs had the most lottery ball combinations left.

you can say what you want, but the fact is that the leafs didn't get better....the teams ahead of you also stayed the same, while the teams chasing you got better......on paper, Boston and Tampa are still better teams overall, and teams like Fla and Mon are catching up.......like i said, anything can happen, but i don't see the leafs as one of the teams to beat for the cup.....playoff lock, absolutely, but i dont' think they have good enough D to make a deep playoff run
- haywoodjablome

Only by your evaluation of players.

thank you for pointing out the Andersen's norm is on par with Bob's "down year"........like i said, if he's a question mark in Fla, then you guys are (frank)ED in goal.

Bob is BY FAR the better goalie.......so like i said, if you're questioning Bob in Florida, then you should be terrified at your goalie situation.
- haywoodjablome

Andersen's a .918 on his career, Bob is .919.

Bob could go full Vezina, or full retard. Coin toss.

From last blog-

LeBrun just poop all over Max's nonsense of the Leafs (Dubas) not trying to get Marner signed before last season.

Said Dubas' very first meeting as GM was to Ferris to try and get Marner locked in.
- GreatGigInTheSky

there is a big difference between 'trying' and trying (and getting it done).

Rumours of a Marner bridge deal for around 9 mill for 2-3 years can’t be true right?

Not trolling here, honestly asking, no leaf fan can think this is a good deal right?

I honestly hope some GM’s around the league have the balls to not cave and actually let a player sit out the whole year rather than give them a deal that pays them more or at least close to what they would get on a long term deal but give it to them on a bridge.

I’m a jets fan and hope Chevy lets Laine and Connor sit the whole year rather than cave and over pay. Let’s see what Roslovic and Vesalainen can do in their spots.
- Ross77

You're right. That would be an awful deal for the Leafs. Giving him long term money for a short term deal isn't good.

And unfortunately it's not just the Muppet Dreger saying it. Some with actual integrity and connections are saying it, too.

thank you for pointing out the Andersen's norm is on par with Bob's "down year"........like i said, if he's a question mark in Fla, then you guys are (frank)ED in goal.

Bob is BY FAR the better goalie.......so like i said, if you're questioning Bob in Florida, then you should be terrified at your goalie situation.
- haywoodjablome

You are absolutely right that Bobrovsky is quite a bit better than Andersen.

I will leave that up to you.
- gravyface

Man this is going to drive me crazy!!!!

i would say he's slightly better offensively, but they're both basically 50pt dmen......if it's an upgrade, it's a small upgrade, and not enough to make up for the tire fire that will be Ceci on the top pair.......i've never felt sorry for a leaf player before, until i heard Rielly's prize for having a norris calibre year last year, is getting to play with Ceci.

i agree that maybe in the long term, guys like Dermott and Sandin are possibly the answer, but they aren't the guys to put the leafs over the top and ahead of the tampa's and Boston's of the league this season
- haywoodjablome

Hainsey, Zaitsev out, Barrie, Ceci in.

Barrie > Hainsey
Zaitsev = Ceci

Ceci has played with garbage partners his entire career, on a garbage team. I'm not expecting Norris play out of him, but I think he'll fare better with Rielly.

This thread is bedlam.

there is a big difference between 'trying' and trying (and getting it done).
- MaximusAurelius

There's a big difference in being right and being entirely wrong.

Leafs are a wild card team at best next season.

I dont see us passing Tampa, and Boston. Florida got wayyyy better and Montreal had a strong finish last year that they'll likely carry over to this season with a healthy Weber.
- Burkefection

Florida have been wayyy better for the last decade. Everyone's favourite for a playoff spot every off-season

how have the leafs addressed defence?

Barrie is basically Gardiner 2.0......i get that Gardiner is the leafs fans favorite whipping boy, and Barrie is the new toy, but if you can't see that they're basically the same player, you're either blind, or just a massive homer

Ceci and Harpur are arguably the 2 worst dmen in the entire league

how exactly is your D corps better?
- haywoodjablome

Until we see Barrie in blue and white missing stretch passes and fumbling the puck in his own end, I don't accept the premise that he is Gardiner 2.0.

Ceci will play better with Reilly. Just my opinions.

I have two home teams but Leafs are my favourite. I usually have a lot of hope in September.

1. Toronto
2. Tampa
3. Florida
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4. Montreal (Wildcard1)
5. Boston (Wildcard2)

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6. Buffalo
7. Detroit
8. Ottawa

Atlantic on par with Pacific as in strength of Division.

Home ice advantage will be decisive for Leafs in making 2nd round.
(Leafs to play either Boston or Montreal would be a great matchup)

Florida have been wayyy better for the last decade. Everyone's favourite for a playoff spot every off-season
- walshyleafsfan

See now this speaks to me.

I've been calling Florida to be better for at least 5 years now.

BUT THIS YEAR!!!

I know the odds do not favor Montreal.

But they were 4 points back of the Leafs last season.

The difference between making the playoffs and missing them is ridiculously small.
- Scabeh

agree, and i feel like the Leafs had a bit of a down season last year, in terms of points in the standings.

I see them around 105-108

Hainsey, Zaitsev out, Barrie, Ceci in.

Barrie > Hainsey
Zaitsev = Ceci

Ceci has played with garbage partners his entire career, on a garbage team. I'm not expecting Norris play out of him, but I think he'll fare better with Rielly.
- gravyface

i love that you conveniently ignore the fact that Gardiner is also out........

Gardiner, Zaitsev, Hainsey out.....Barrie, Ceci, Harpur in

Barrie is a slight improvement over Gardiner

Zaitsev > Ceci
Hainsey >>>>>>>>> Harpur

you also point out that Ceci has played with poop partners.......He has played with some poop partners no doubt (including the other plug that you traded for) but he's also played with future HOF players like karlsson and Gonchar, and the one constant is that he's made absolutely EVERYONE he's played with worse......so like i said, poor Morgan, he's going to have a rough year dragging that anchor all over the ice

There's a big difference in being right and being entirely wrong.
- GreatGigInTheSky

last year people were saying 'crazy' when talking a 8year deal for over 8million AAV for Marner.
Dubas was being cheap and missed a golden opportunity to sign Marner with a discount of at least 2mln AAV on a long term deal.

agree, and i feel like the Leafs had a bit of a down season last year, in terms of points in the standings.

I see them around 105-108
- senstroll

Is that counting a Marner holdout?

That's bound to cost a few points no?

Florida have been wayyy better for the last decade. Everyone's favourite for a playoff spot every off-season
- walshyleafsfan

I think they'll actually do it this year, though. They'll probably be a Wild Card team, and the only one from the Atlantic Division.

I think Barkov, if healthy, is gonna be incredible this coming season.

i love that you conveniently ignore the fact that Gardiner is also out........

Gardiner, Zaitsev, Hainsey out.....Barrie, Ceci, Harpur in

Barrie is a slight improvement over Gardiner

Zaitsev > Ceci
Hainsey >>>>>>>>> Harpur

you also point out that Ceci has played with poop partners.......He has played with some poop partners no doubt (including the other plug that you traded for) but he's also played with future HOF players like karlsson and Gonchar, and the one constant is that he's made absolutely EVERYONE he's played with worse......so like i said, poor Morgan, he's going to have a rough year dragging that anchor all over the ice
- haywoodjablome

you're right again.
but there's no point in stating this - you'll only get riduculed by the 'real fans'.

there is a big difference between 'trying' and trying (and getting it done).
- MaximusAurelius

You are (frank)ing unreal.