I'll just place this right here and let the masses go nuts in the rationalizations of their beliefs

@SabresStats
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8m
Most Multipoint Games by #Sabres Defensemen since the beginning of the 2000-01 season:

1. Campbell - 31
2. Ristolainen - 30
3. Spacek - 21
4. Kalinin - 20
4. Myers - 20
6. Zhitnik - 17
7. Ehrhoff - 14
8. Lydman - 13
8. Sekera - 13
10. Numminen - 12

I look at it the opposite way. Larry/Gus/X is their top defensive line. It's on the others to take time away from them. I see ERod as their #3 offensive option and #2 defensive. Curious to see how Ralph does it. There's so many defensive liabilities on the team to work around.
- Lunaion

Solid post.
Well, hopefully they have increased the competition for spots on the team...now, Freddie-Ralphie-boy needs to have the players increase their individual compete level...

Jack plays a big part if that this year in my mind as well..he needs to lead by example in all phases of the game.

I'll just place this right here and let the masses go nuts in the rationalizations of their beliefs

@SabresStats
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8m
Most Multipoint Games by #Sabres Defensemen since the beginning of the 2000-01 season:

1. Campbell - 31
2. Ristolainen - 30
3. Spacek - 21
4. Kalinin - 20
4. Myers - 20
6. Zhitnik - 17
7. Ehrhoff - 14
8. Lydman - 13
8. Sekera - 13
10. Numminen - 12
- GilPerreault11

How about you post that minus Stats Goals against

I'll just place this right here and let the masses go nuts in the rationalizations of their beliefs

@SabresStats
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8m
Most Multipoint Games by #Sabres Defensemen since the beginning of the 2000-01 season:

1. Campbell - 31
2. Ristolainen - 30
3. Spacek - 21
4. Kalinin - 20
4. Myers - 20
6. Zhitnik - 17
7. Ehrhoff - 14
8. Lydman - 13
8. Sekera - 13
10. Numminen - 12
- GilPerreault11

Number of games played for Buffalo:

1.) 379
2.) 424
3.) 205
4.) 466 Kalinin
4.) 365 Myers

What I have to laugh at is the fact that you wanna use zone starts to defend Risto but for some reason don’t want to include that Larry/Girgs had 80% + D zone starts

They were absolutely fine in the role they played, a heavy defensive one
- OneKaneOneCup

This is a good, solid post as well.
Sure, I wish the other three lines could actually play defense responsibly, and better learn to do so quickly...but how they were used, it isn't their fault...infact, their propensity to flip the ice was outstanding. Too bad six other guys could effectively take advantage

Number of games played for Buffalo:

1.) 379
2.) 424
3.) 205
4.) 466 Kalinin
4.) 365 Myers
- Stripes77

We all know the best way to gauge whether a D man is good or not is list the amount of multi point games, and exclude games/minutes played

Lol 2 million is hardly getting paid.
- Sabres1523

What do you make a year?
😀

Lol 2 million is hardly getting paid.
- Sabres1523

For a 4th liner it is.
People female dog about Larry and Gus at $1.75m

Before you say it, ya he might play 3rd line...but like many Sabres they are playing a line higher than they should.

What do you make a year?
😀
- Boss34

Think he was talking about that salary for a professional hockey player...

If so, he was correct.

How about you post that minus Stats Goals against
- gerbe75pts

Oliver Ekman Larsson

Average speed? Sir, that insult will not stand. That is a highly treasonous accusation that cannot be tolerated in a civil society

Don't be mad at erod because the living legend doesn't have a roster spot.

Also, how many fights did erod have last year? How many for pominville?
- jcragcrumple

What's this have to do with pommer and the 7 more goals he scored last season than erod?

Fights?

How about be tough enough to stick up for yourself?

Erod lacks that. As well as goal scoring.

2 things we need.
1. Scoring out of our bottom 6
2. Be "self tough"
Meaning not needing help in a physical situation.
Larry and girgs fit that bill (#2) anyways

Nhl has rid the goons, but hockey is a rough sport and needing protection isnt a plus for erod.

Goal scorers earn that right.

For a 4th liner it is.
People female dog about Larry and Gus at $1.75m

Before you say it, ya he might play 3rd line...but like many Sabres they are playing a line higher than they should.
- IonSabres

That is fair market value for what players are getting paid this summer

It’s like okposos terrible contract. 4 other players signed essentially the same deal.

Just wait till we play sam 9 to 10 million per year.

Solid post.
Well, hopefully they have increased the competition for spots on the team...now, Freddie-Ralphie-boy needs to have the players increase their individual compete level...

Jack plays a big part if that this year in my mind as well..he needs to lead by example in all phases of the game.
- IonSabres

Agreed, time for him to dominate. I think he can be a top10 center.

That is fair market value for what players are getting paid this summer

It’s like okposos terrible contract. 4 other players signed essentially the same deal.

Just wait till we play sam 9 to 10 million per year.
- Sabretooth9

8x8

What's this have to do with pommer and the 7 more goals he scored last season than erod?

Fights?

How about be tough enough to stick up for yourself?

Erod lacks that. As well as goal scoring.

2 things we need.
1. Scoring out of our bottom 6
2. Be "self tough"
Meaning not needing help in a physical situation.
Larry and girgs fit that bill (#2) anyways

Nhl has rid the goons, but hockey is a rough sport and needing protection isnt a plus for erod.

Goal scorers earn that right.
- Boss34

Wat?

Larry, girgs and erod all had the same amount of fights last year.

Next

8x8
- RhinoFan

I think the Sabres get lucky if Sam accepts that. The price of players keeps going up.

Eichel at 10 in a couple years might look like a cheap deal

I think the Sabres get lucky if Sam accepts that. The price of players keeps going up.

Eichel at 10 in a couple years might look like a cheap deal
- Sabretooth9

Keller getting just north of 7 helps. Will depend on some of these other guys, but teams are seemingly playing a bit of hard ball.

Eichel's 10 will be cheap for his production by the end surely. It's getting close now. If we had to sign him today he'd get 12 I'd wager.

Oliver Ekman Larsson
- RhinoFan

If they switch teams he would be the best defenseman on our team

He's definitely faster than Dahlin

Not as good of a skater technically, nor does he have the moves, but he is faster.

Supposedly dahlin spent the summer working on his speed though, so we'll see if he improved
- jcragcrumple

EROD is faster than Dahlin... racist.

I think the Sabres get lucky if Sam accepts that. The price of players keeps going up.

Eichel at 10 in a couple years might look like a cheap deal
- Sabretooth9

Eichel at 10 already does. I’d rather have Eichel at 10 then Mathews at $11.5.

Number of games played for Buffalo:

1.) 379
2.) 424
3.) 205
4.) 466 Kalinin
4.) 365 Myers
- Stripes77

Ooo, the rationalizations are flowing. But, but fetch us a 2nd line center.

What's this have to do with pommer and the 7 more goals he scored last season than erod?

Fights?

How about be tough enough to stick up for yourself?

Erod lacks that. As well as goal scoring.

2 things we need.
1. Scoring out of our bottom 6
2. Be "self tough"
Meaning not needing help in a physical situation.
Larry and girgs fit that bill (#2) anyways

Nhl has rid the goons, but hockey is a rough sport and needing protection isnt a plus for erod.

Goal scorers earn that right.
- Boss34

I'd go a bit differently, although I don't dispute the need for individual players to have the courage to push back in the physicality department.
1- distributed scoring through the Top 9 and 1st & 2nd pairings.
2 - sound defensive play in their own end, along with an efficient transition game.

We all know the best way to gauge whether a D man is good or not is list the amount of multi point games, and exclude games/minutes played
- OneKaneOneCup

Oh, it's not the only one but it's one. BTW Who played with better talent is another, was the anchor of the D and scored multi-point games with crap around him. But carry on with the rationalizations. We can both do this.

Ooo, the rationalizations are flowing. But, but fetch us a 2nd line center.
- GilPerreault11

What is funny is trying to justify a player who's main job description is defensively-based, according to their offensive production, when many of said points are generated while the other team is aplaying in their own zone while being a man short. In the meantime, said player records league low +/- rating at -40+ and earns the Green Jacket award...all the while, 2 teammates who have 75%+ defensive zone starts click in with an average -10 on the +/- scale.

The faster they trade him, the better for this team.

Oh, it's not the only one but it's one. BTW Who played with better talent is another, was the anchor of the D and scored multi-point games with crap around him. But carry on with the rationalizations. We can both do this.
- GilPerreault11

Not sure I follow this logic...

-BTW Who played with better talent is another.
Wouldn't that help his cause, especially in the +/- department. But when he puts up double the "-" while playing with better players like Eichel, Skinner, Reinhart

- was the anchor of the D
The team he anchored was league leading putrid on defense. Thus argument hardly helps his cause

-scored multi-point games with crap around him.
Yup, he is great, EVERONE else sucks and caused those lunk-headed plays game after game...but we watched replay after replay of him losing his man, thriwi g blind passes up the boards, fliping the puck over everyone's head to result only in an icing call.

Trade him now, addition by subtraction.

He scores 43 but remains a minus 40...that is a gross 83 goals against to net down to -40.
Shaking my head.