marner, nylander, kapanen, brown

do you see the 3 guys that were ahead of him on right wing? he was a 20 goal scorer in his first full season with the leafs, then came kapanen to start eating brown's 3rd line minutes away and the leafs were left with using him in 4th line minutes, pk and utility role moving him up and down the lineup only when they needed a change.
- BluesFan44isa_JOKE

Brown scoring 20 goals was an anomaly.

Leafs fan came to accept this over the last two years, why can't you?

Didn't Muzzin replace Gardiner? Or was Gardiner going to be flipped to the right side?
- walshyleafsfan

muzzin and gardiner played on the same team, i guess muzzin is taking his spot this season technically but gardiner is now gone and barrie is now in.

Brown scoring 20 goals was an anomaly.

Leafs fan came to accept this over the last two years, why can't you?
- Scabeh

just wait and see brown in ottawa, anomaly my ass.

muzzin and gardiner played on the same team, i guess muzzin is taking his spot this season technically but gardiner is now gone and barrie is now in.
- BluesFan44isa_JOKE

Barrie replaced (pick one of) Hainsey/Zaitsev. Ceci replaced (pick one of) Hainsey/Zaitsev.

Leafs round 1 chances replaced Gardiner

Barrie replaced (pick one of) Hainsey/Zaitsev. Ceci replaced (pick one of) Hainsey/Zaitsev.

Leafs round 1 chances replaced Gardiner
- walshyleafsfan

uh no

Lmfao Go Leafs Go

uh no
- BluesFan44isa_JOKE

Who replaced Zaitsev and Hainsey?

Barrie replaced (pick one of) Hainsey/Zaitsev. Ceci replaced (pick one of) Hainsey/Zaitsev.

Leafs round 1 chances replaced Gardiner
- walshyleafsfan

Barrie is sure as hell going to score more than Hainsey and Zaitsev combined.

But he also is sure as hell not going to kill penalties. Or shut anybody down.

And Ceci was statistically as bad or worse than Zaitsev.

So in terms of defending, preventing chances, protecting the net etc., the Leafs aren't any better. They'll score more but breaking the cycle, killing penalties, blocking shots, moving big bodies in front...DEFENDING...is still lacking.

I personally think Kerfoot is much more talented.... guess you can make a case that Brown could bring a more energetic style to the bottom 6..... maybe....
- Scabeh

kerfoot produces on the PP. Brown was useless.

kerfoot also has a reputation for being defensively responsible which is backed up the numbers.

moore will be a fine replacement for the 12 invisible minutes brown played a game.

just wait and see brown in ottawa, anomaly my ass.
- BluesFan44isa_JOKE

brown sucks

kerfoot produces on the PP. Brown was useless.

kerfoot also has a reputation for being defensively responsible which is backed up the numbers.

moore will be a fine replacement for the 12 invisible minutes brown played a game.
- Tumbleweed

The way people talk up Kerfoot, by the start of the season he's gonna be more legendary than Bigfoot...

Barrie is sure as hell going to score more than Hainsey and Zaitsev combined.

But he also is sure as hell not going to kill penalties. Or shut anybody down.

And Ceci was statistically as bad or worse than Zaitsev.

So in terms of defending, preventing chances, protecting the net etc., the Leafs aren't any better. They'll score more but breaking the cycle, killing penalties, blocking shots, moving big bodies in front...DEFENDING...is still lacking.
- JohnFergusonJr

Absolutely I agree with you. I was one of a very few that actually didn't mind Zaitsev because without the puck he wasn't that bad. Actually tried to defend. Something Gardiner never tried in his 8 years as a Maple Leaf.

Having said that, if the Leafs identity is going to be a team that is all offense and speed and transition then yes Barrie is the guy to go for. Whatever identity management wants this team to have they have to be all in 100%. No half and half stuff.

Personally i don't think it will amount to much playoff success, but I have no issues with Barrie as he's the exact player management wants 6 of back there.

Absolutely I agree with you. I was one of a very few that actually didn't mind Zaitsev because without the puck he wasn't that bad. Actually tried to defend. Something Gardiner never tried in his 8 years as a Maple Leaf.

Having said that, if the Leafs identity is going to be a team that is all offense and speed and transition then yes Barrie is the guy to go for. Whatever identity management wants this team to have they have to be all in 100%. No half and half stuff.

Personally i don't think it will amount to much playoff success, but I have no issues with Barrie as he's the exact player management wants 6 of back there.
- walshyleafsfan

Speed and transition work great in October and November. Game changes in May and June though.

And as much as people want to push the idea that the Leafs will drive the offense and spend more time in the Ozone, the reality is, their forwards are way too small and soft to play that kind of puck possession game. When the other team gets the puck and dumps it back into our zone, the Leafs are going to have all the same problems they've always had in their own end. And I agree, playoff success is dubious at best.

gardiner missed 20 games last season, scored 30 points. the 2 previous seasons he played all 82 games each and scored a combined 95 points, total 125 points over 3 seasons. gardiner's offensive role on the team diminished with the emergence of rielly's elite offensive game last season.

barrie missed games during the past 3 seasons a total of 26, the same 2 seasons gardiner scored 95 points combined barrie also had 95 points combined in 22 less games played, barrie played 78 games last season and scored 59 points for a 3 year total of 154 points over 3 seasons. colorado finally emerged as a playoff contender after having made the playoffs only once from 2010 to 2017.

gardiner and barrie are roughly the same age and almost equally suck defensively, barrie is a career -59 and jake gardiner is actually surprisingly a career +9.

all the leafs did is slightly upgrade their offense from the defense by what? 10-15% if barrie maintains his production? that won't stop pucks from going in the leafs own net. the basically added 10-15 points a season from their defense for 1 season and maintained if not worsened a defensive liability.

i'm personally glad gardiner is gone because his playoff botches became way too common place and costly. but make no mistake about it, replacing him with barrie is like replacing him with a right handed shooting slightly better producing gardiner and that is it.
- BluesFan44isa_JOKE

Blah, blah...something something...blah...now that Jake isn't a Leaf he's fu3king amazing....HOF!!!

Blah, blah...something something...now that Barrie is a Leaf he fu3king sucks!!!

Same poop with some of these people.

Jake was shiite and Jake wanted too much money from the Leafs...at the very least expected a raise. It took all this time for his agent to realize he would be lucky to get an offer from any team...back injury adding to his shiite play...Carolina stepped up for some reason with less money than last year...so he took it.

Our right side was our weak spot...not Gardiner's side which is left and filled...

Rielly
Muzzin
Dermott

...two currently way better, one getting really close.

Kadri was a really good trade chip and responsible for the same poop twice...which cost the team both Boston series losses.

Dubas found a deal to shore up the RD side, add a 3C and clean out some poop that was dragging the team down.

Dubas made the deal. We are better for it. Suck it up.

PS, IT IS VERY WELL KNOWN THE LEAFS WERE WEAK ON THE RIGHT SIDE. TEAMS FOCUSED ON THAT....TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT. PROBLEM FIXED.

FUUUUUUCKKCKCKCKCKCKCK! It's not that difficult. Whiny c&nts!!!

Blah, blah...something something...blah...now that Jake isn't a Leaf he's fu3king amazing....HOF!!!

Blah, blah...something something...now that Barrie is a Leaf he fu3king sucks!!!

Same poop with some of these people.

Jake was shiite and Jake wanted too much money from the Leafs...at the very least expected a raise. It took all this time for his agent to realize he would be lucky to get an offer from any team...back injury adding to his shiite play...Carolina stepped up for some reason with less money than last year...so he took it.

Our right side was our weak spot...not Gardiner's side which is left and filled...

Rielly
Muzzin
Dermott

...two currently way better, one getting really close.

Kadri was a really good trade chip and responsible for the same poop twice...which cost the team both Boston series losses.

Dubas found a deal to shore up the RD side, add a 3C and clean out some poop that was dragging the team down.

Dubas made the deal. We are better for it. Suck it up.

PS, IT IS VERY WELL KNOWN THE LEAFS WERE WEAK ON THE RIGHT SIDE. TEAMS FOCUSED ON THAT....TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT. PROBLEM FIXED.

FUUUUUUCKKCKCKCKCKCKCK! It's not that difficult. Whiny c&nts!!!
- Barb34

Pretty much.

Teams would be lined up for Ceci.

-James Tanner

I guess, fire Dubas?

Should have traded Ceci and signed Gardiner for cheaper.

😗

Teams would be lined up for Ceci.

-James Tanner

I guess, fire Dubas?

Should have traded Ceci and signed Gardiner for cheaper.

😗
- Garnie

seems like it.

at least gardiner does some things well.

brown sucks
- Tumbleweed

Let’s not get carried away, Brown doesn’t suck, but we can’t keep every player, so someone had to go.

seems like it.

at least gardiner does some things well.
- Tumbleweed

Pretty sure Tanner doesn’t know the difference between hockey and broom ball.

So, no teams were going to trade for Ceci.

The end

The way people talk up Kerfoot, by the start of the season he's gonna be more legendary than Bigfoot...
- JohnFergusonJr

i should never have said he's better than connor the all-star brown

i should never have said he's better than connor the all-star brown
- Tumbleweed

Would Boyle take a PTO to compete for the Goats spot?

i should never have said he's better than connor the all-star brown
- Tumbleweed

Connor Brown actually killed penalties though. Kerfoot has like 4 minutes of total career PK time.

Also, if you take away Kerfoot's PP goals and points, they're almost identical to Brown's numbers.

And considering the Leafs already have Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Johnsson, Kapanen and Tavares, the odds of Kerfoot getting any quality PP time and putting up the same PP numbers is pretty low.

Is Kerfoot better than Brown? Maybe. But is he worth the extra 1.4 million in salary to be a 3rd liner? I'm not sure.

Let’s not get carried away, Brown doesn’t suck, but we can’t keep every player, so someone had to go.
- Garnie

damn it garnie.

the problem isn't getting carried away.

it's being here in the first place.

damn it garnie.

the problem isn't getting carried away.

it's being here in the first place.
- Tumbleweed

Brown didn’t have the greatest year, was used differently though.

I wish him luck