right about what?! the fact MJL thinks he knows somehow that Gandler was just happy as a pig in poop when he though his client could get as much as 8 mil a year now has a baseline for only getting 5 mil a year due to a comparable player signing for that much?

my friend works for CAA in NY and she has told me there are no professions out there more greedy than being an agent. you can agree all you want that Gandler was just as happy prior to Werenski's contract being signed as he is now, but I wholeheartedly disagree.
- sjk540

So you're going to criticize me for thinking that I somehow know that Gandler would be happy with that deal but it's perfectly okay that you somehow know that he would be unhappy? LMAO

You're offering that you have a friend that knows this nonsense? LOL

Your comments here about getting 5M a year reinforces that you don't understand the contract and what it does for Werenski in the future. You're pulling that 8M number out of you know where. I explained to you how it positions Werenski and could also do the same for Provorov in the future but that apparently did not sink in.

So you're going to criticize me for thinking that I somehow know that Gandler would be happy with that deal but it's perfectly okay that you somehow know that he would be unhappy? LMAO

Your comments here about getting 5M a year reinforces that you don't understand the contract and what it does for Werenski in the future. I explained to you how it positions Werenski and could also do the same for Provorov in the future but that apparently did not sink in.
- MJL

Yes I am, last I checked people in the agency business weren't happy when perceived values took a hit. Also, last i checked people in any field are happier when they anticipate more money coming their way. I.e. a promotion, a raise, a winning lottery ticket. is it really that far out of the realm of possibility to think that someone is upset that they wont be getting as much money as they originally thought? give me a break, you just argue for arguements sake, and as I said its tired.

secondly, i do know what it does for him in the future, but the reports of Provy holding out for 8m a year, negates the idea of a bridge deal. so taking the idea of a bridge deal out of the equation, but now adding it back now that werenski has actually signed it, now bring its back into a possibility. you can tell me all you want about how happy gandler is, but its garbage because 100 times out of 100 times Gandler would have rather his client signed for 8 years at 8 million then 3 years at 5 million and take a risk that he maybe isn't as good as advertised. if he is, great, but that allows the team the benefit to do an analysis over those 3 years, if he's not, then he will never see that type of money again. and if he then turns out to be great, then we sign him to an 8 year 80 mil contract. yes more money for us, but a less risky investment at that point, and the hope is in 3 years the cap has been raised to accommodate the extra 2 mil a year we'll be paying him.

this werenski signing 100% benefits the team more, regardless if you don't think it does.

Yes I am, last I checked people in the agency business weren't happy when perceived values took a hit. Also, last i checked people in any field are happier when they anticipate more money coming their way. I.e. a promotion, a raise, a winning lottery ticket. is it really that far out of the realm of possibility to think that someone is upset that they wont be getting as much money as they originally thought? give me a break, you just argue for arguements sake, and as I said its tired.


- sjk540

I'm not having this conversation by myself. Most importantly, everything you state here is completely irrelevant and not based on anything factual related to the actual situation. Conversely, my premise is based on actual facts.

secondly, i do know what it does for him in the future, but the reports of Provy holding out for 8m a year, negates the idea of a bridge deal. so taking the idea of a bridge deal out of the equation, but now adding it back now that werenski has actually signed it, now bring its back into a possibility. you can tell me all you want about how happy gandler is, but its garbage because 100 times out of 100 times Gandler would have rather his client signed for 8 years at 8 million then 3 years at 5 million and take a risk that he maybe isn't as good as advertised. if he is, great, but that allows the team the benefit to do an analysis over those 3 years, if he's not, then he will never see that type of money again. and if he then turns out to be great, then we sign him to an 8 year 80 mil contract. yes more money for us, but a less risky investment at that point, and the hope is in 3 years the cap has been raised to accommodate the extra 2 mil a year we'll be paying him.


- sjk540

Provorov's agent himself has publicly stated that rumors out there are not accurate. You're not paying attention. You're missing the boat. Certainly there is risk involved for the player but the reward is a much greater possibility. You keep mentioning the 5M number. You've got the wrong number. The relevant number is 7M, not 5M.

this werenski signing 100% benefits the team more, regardless if you don't think it does.
- sjk540

It's like anything in a contract. Benefits the team more now but with the real potential to benefit the player more down the line.

Here is what you don't get

3 years 15M plus 8 years at 10M is greater than 8 years at 8M

if Werenski continues to grow as a player and a point producing NHL defenseman, that 10M number is conservative.

I'm not having this conversation by myself. Most importantly, everything you state here is completely irrelevant and not based on anything factual related to the actual situation. Conversely, my premise is based on actual facts.





Provorov's agent himself has publicly stated that rumors out there are not accurate. You're not paying attention. You're missing the boat. Certainly there is risk involved for the player but the reward is a much greater possibility. You keep mentioning the 5M number. You've got the wrong number. The relevant number is 7M, not 5M.




It's like anything in a contract. Benefits the team more now but with the real potential to benefit the player more down the line.

Here is what you don't get

5 years 15M plus 8 years at 10M is greater than 8 years at 8M
- MJL

true, what about the 3 years after that 8 years at 8 mil, when's he's 30, you really think he's gonna take less than 5 mil? If his current projections continue, the 3 years following the 8 mil will be more than 5 mil, making that option more expensive. Again, thats all just forecasting, but if it happens it ends up being more expensive.

OK call it 7 mil even though 8 mil was reported but whatever, its still less money for the agent.

dude, get a clue. agents are and always will be greedy, there are more examples of this than not. the rosenhaus's, the tellum's, the boras's of the world. get the (frank) outta here if you dont think it, its as much fact as it can be without actually being a technical fact. ever hear of an agent who doesn't want to get his client the most amount of money he can? maybe one exists but you sure don't hear about them because they aren't the norm, and you're clueless if you think that's not their one and only job.

true, what about the 3 years after that 8 years at 8 mil, when's he's 30, you really think he's gonna take less than 5 mil? If his current projections continue, the 3 years following the 8 mil will be more than 5 mil, making that option more expensive. Again, thats all just forecasting, but if it happens it ends up being more expensive.

OK call it 7 mil even though 8 mil was reported but whatever, its still less money for the agent.

dude, get a clue. agents are and always will be greedy, there are more examples of this than not. the rosenhaus's, the tellum's, the boras's of the world. get the (frank) outta here if you dont think it, its as much fact as it can be without actually being a technical fact. ever hear of an agent who doesn't want to get his client the most amount of money he can? maybe one exists but you sure don't hear about them because they aren't the norm, and you're clueless if you think that's not their one and only job.
- sjk540

You're entire premise that has steered you wrong is about this belief that agents are greedy. You doubled down with fallacies and people that you know. LOL

You've neglected to look at the actual deal and how it positions Werenski as an RFA, one year from UFA status with arbitration rights and from a negotiating price point of 7M. It's a great position to put himself in. Werenski didn't sign a long term 8 year deal because obviously the team would not meet his number that he was willing to give up future UFA years for.
There is no reason for his agent to be unhappy about the deal. They'll make more in the back end.

You don't have anything to stand on. Just rambling on and on. It's over.

You're entire premise that has steered you wrong is about this belief that agents are greedy. You doubled down with fallacies and people that you know. LOL

You've neglected to look at the actual deal and how it positions Werenski as an RFA, one year from UFA status with arbitration rights and from a negotiating price point of 7M. It's a great position to put himself in. Werenski didn't sign a long term 8 year deal because obviously the team would not meet his number that he was willing to give up future UFA years for.
There is no reason for his agent to be unhappy about the deal. They'll make more in the back end.

You don't have anything to stand on. Just rambling on and on. It's over.
- MJL

the fact that you are as delusional to insinuate agents aren't on the whole greedy just to pedal you're horrible argument is laughable. show me one example of an agent who isn't trying to squeeze the most out of a team for their client, because i can show you plenty of examples of the opposite. give up, you've lost.

there's plenty of reason for him to be unhappy, if its a 10% commission that would actually be 600,000/900,000 reasons, but yeah, agents don't care about money. haha, you should talk out your responses instead of just typing them so you can hear out loud how asinine they are.

Please do not carry over this nonsense into a new blog

Please do not carry over this nonsense into a new blog
- ClaudeFather

no worries there

Please do not carry over this nonsense into a new blog
- ClaudeFather

Come on, it’s good reading

the fact that you are as delusional to insinuate agents aren't on the whole greedy just to pedal you're horrible argument is laughable. show me one example of an agent who isn't trying to squeeze the most out of a team for their client, because i can show you plenty of examples of the opposite. give up, you've lost.

there's plenty of reason for him to be unhappy, if its a 10% commission that would actually be 600,000/900,000 reasons, but yeah, agents don't care about money. haha, you should talk out your responses instead of just typing them so you can hear out loud how asinine they are.
- sjk540

I am sure the agent would love the payday today, that said I am sure he is way ok knowing it will be a bigger day in the future, that said the agent is banking on the player and banking on that he’ll still be the agent. The player is banking on the player.

PROCEED

I am sure the agent would love the payday today, that said I am sure he is way ok knowing it will be a bigger day in the future, that said the agent is banking on the player and banking on that he’ll still be the agent. The player is banking on the player.

PROCEED
- wcorvette

Exactly, nothing more nothing less, the idea is that he would just like a bigger payday, what agent wouldn't? That said, I appreciate what Werenski is doing, still making pretty good dollars and betting on himself to improve in these 3 years to maybe get double the contract. certainly a fine strategy. i just think in the end, gandler would rather see his client sign a 64 or 56 million dollar contract tomorrow than a 15 million dollar contract tomorrow. life happens, you never know what can go down in those 3 years, and although in a perfect world it may end up getting him more down the road, u just never really know, especially in the sport of hockey.

Fletcher meeting with both provys and tks agents today

We have a pre season game Monday? When does camp officially start?

your shtick is so tired, its embarrassing
- sjk540

Hey now.... leave mjl I mean poor bill alone. You do know mjl is bill right? It’s bills burner account. He always stirs up comments to drive up hits. More money in bills pocket

What? hayes is a much better player than him, by a landlside. We all know he was slightly overpaid but comparing them is insane. Hayes will probably have 55+ play in all situations and is one of the better even strength scoring players in the league. Zacha is....
- ClaudeFather

We’ll revisit this when Hayes isn’t scoring enough and we can’t move him and we’ll have to move someone else we would rather not move.

How short are our memories with such deals as LeCavalier and MacDonald. Hayes isn’t slightly over paid, he is overpaid.

the fact that you are as delusional to insinuate agents aren't on the whole greedy just to pedal you're horrible argument is laughable. show me one example of an agent who isn't trying to squeeze the most out of a team for their client, because i can show you plenty of examples of the opposite. give up, you've lost.

there's plenty of reason for him to be unhappy, if its a 10% commission that would actually be 600,000/900,000 reasons, but yeah, agents don't care about money. haha, you should talk out your responses instead of just typing them so you can hear out loud how asinine they are.
- sjk540

You have not made anything close to a reasonable argument to support your premise all the while ignoring the actual facts of the situation in favor of insinuations. I have not once tried to, implied or in anyway argued whether agents are greedy or aren't greedy. Has nothing to do with the situation. I have provided real examples of why the agent would be happy with the Werenski deal. You've doubled down with insults that have zero to do with the actual situation.

We’ll revisit this when Hayes isn’t scoring enough and we can’t move him and we’ll have to move someone else we would rather not move.

How short are our memories with such deals as LeCavalier and MacDonald. Hayes isn’t slightly over paid, he is overpaid.
- SuperSchennBros

Haha this is just dumb, how was Lecavier? Mcd was just never a good signing. Even if Hayes has a good year there will still be folks like you that will female dog.

Neither really have a thing to do with one another. The only would you rather with Zacha is would you rather have taken Provorov, who most scouts had ranked above him at the draft.
- hereticpride

Devils lose a young player that didn’t workout. So the clueless snicker at their expense, even though they’ve recovered with Hischier and Hughes.

If anyone believes that it’s outside of the realm of possibility that the Hayes sign could go north or south is kidding themselves.

Haha this is just dumb, how was Lecavier? Mcd was just never a good signing. Even if Hayes has a good year there will still be folks like you that will female dog.
- ClaudeFather

This is all you’ve got?

So there is absolutely no way Kevin Hayes could be a bad potential signing? None. If your answer is no, then I guess to the single minded, yeah, I’m dumb.

By the way, why was the Mac signing a bad one? He was a good player on his way in.

Exactly, nothing more nothing less, the idea is that he would just like a bigger payday, what agent wouldn't? That said, I appreciate what Werenski is doing, still making pretty good dollars and betting on himself to improve in these 3 years to maybe get double the contract. certainly a fine strategy. i just think in the end, gandler would rather see his client sign a 64 or 56 million dollar contract tomorrow than a 15 million dollar contract tomorrow. life happens, you never know what can go down in those 3 years, and although in a perfect world it may end up getting him more down the road, u just never really know, especially in the sport of hockey.
- sjk540

Doubling down on that you don't get the situation. Remember, you said Gandler is "pissed" at the Werenski contract. Now it's nothing more, nothing less. You're stating that the agent would be happy with a 8 year deal at a 7M AAV versus the bridge deal and whatever he can get with the leverage he will have with the bridge deal in 2 years. He already has his client at 7M at year 3 of the bridge deal. You know the number that I said previously was the relevant number? Agents and players care about salary, not cap hits. When they start negotiations for the long term deal, it starts from a price point of 7M. Do the math! LOL

This is all you’ve got?

So there is absolutely no way Kevin Hayes could be a bad potential signing? None. If your answer is no, then I guess to the single minded, yeah, I’m dumb.

By the way, why was the Mac signing a bad one? He was a good player on his way in.
- SuperSchennBros

It can go south, not sure why you are praying it does.

is it good to sign a 3-4 dman to a monster deal?

We’ll revisit this when Hayes isn’t scoring enough and we can’t move him and we’ll have to move someone else we would rather not move.

How short are our memories with such deals as LeCavalier and MacDonald. Hayes isn’t slightly over paid, he is overpaid.
- SuperSchennBros

What else do you see in your crystal ball? Provy's contract ? If we make the playoffs or not?

It can go south, not sure why you are praying it does.

is it good to sign a 3-4 dman to a monster deal?
- ClaudeFather

Is it good to sign a second or third line player to a monster contract? Like, you just answered your own question.

We’ll revisit this when Hayes isn’t scoring enough and we can’t move him and we’ll have to move someone else we would rather not move.

How short are our memories with such deals as LeCavalier and MacDonald. Hayes isn’t slightly over paid, he is overpaid.
- SuperSchennBros

Vinny was like 35 right? Hayes is 27

Any deal can go south. Not sure why you want this one to so badly. Would you rather tell everyone you were right that it was a bad signing versus him succeeding and helping the team? Cause it honestly feels that way

Also comparing him to Zacha is insane. They're not comparables in the slightest.

Is it good to sign a second or third line player to a monster contract? Like, you just answered your own question.
- SuperSchennBros

JVR already proved signing a big contract for a 2nd or 3rd liner can work and benefit a team