Me too. How come I don't get any kill myself requests? Is there something wrong with me?
- Thecakeisalie

Clearly, he wants you and I alive.

Not even a PM, eh? You lazy (frank).
- As_I_See_It

Lolololol

(frank)in stee
- daeth

Yes?

Kill yourself twice.
- Zezel

Clearly, he wants you and I alive.
- Aetherial

Wait.

Me too. How come I don't get any kill myself requests? Is there something wrong with me?
- Thecakeisalie

I even got one.

I even got one.
- Woderwick

You are now part of a special club.

You are now part of a special club.
- Thecakeisalie

The guy who sent it is special...and may need a mental health assessment...really.

Egads - just saw a somewhat distasteful Annuity commercial staring Elaine Larsen.

Clearly, he wants you and I alive.
- Aetherial

poop yourself

poop yourself
- TheMussel

Is this like, some weird kind of curse of misfortune? Like, may you die alone! But instead, poop yourself? That's harsh man.

poop yourself?
- TheMussel

It's Aeth...I'm sure he has - at least a couple times today.

Three years ago. He was 38 last year. And no, he didnt get the most ice time on the pens. He got significant minutes sure....but he was a career minus player leading up to that....im sure having two elite centers and hot goalie might have helped him in Pittsburgh the same way schultz suddenly wasn't a liability. And hainsey had some of his statistically best seasons here, because this leaf team is pretty damn good.
- mykokes

He was second only to Dumu-whats his name. He played huge important minutes for the pens to the point people were shocked. Schultz has nothing to do with it other than being another guy Edmonton disgarded much like dooby and others. But hey, the Leafs are so good Ceci will flourish and be able to do the same.

He was second only to Dumu-whats his name. He played huge important minutes for the pens to the point people were shocked. Schultz has nothing to do with it other than being another guy Edmonton disgarded much like dooby and others. But hey, the Leafs are so good Ceci will flourish and be able to do the same.
- aminnes

Pretty sure Hainsey was playing those minutes in part because Letang was out for most of the playoffs. It wasn't the teams' actual plan for those guys to be playing so much, it was bad luck. Luckily the team as a whole was good enough they still won. They didn't win because Ron (frank)ing Hainsey was just that amazing.

Pretty sure Hainsey was playing those minutes in part because Letang was out for most of the playoffs. It wasn't the teams' actual plan for those guys to be playing so much, it was bad luck. Luckily the team as a whole was good enough they still won. They didn't win because Ron (frank)ing Hainsey was just that amazing.
- Thecakeisalie

Yes, as I said, he stepped up due to injury.

They didn't win because Ron (frank)ing Hainsey was just that amazing.

Which was not the argument. I said Ceci won't be close to Hainsey defensively. Man you guys love to twist poop.

Yes, as I said, he stepped up due to injury.

They didn't win because Ron (frank)ing Hainsey was just that amazing.

Which was not the argument. I said Ceci won't be close to Hainsey defensively. Man you guys love to twist poop.
- aminnes

You are pointing out that Hainsey played big minutes when they won the cup, as if that proves he's a great player. I'm suggesting that him playing those minutes isn't the reason they won, therefore, him playing them on that winning team isn't an indication that he's all that great, or ever was.

You are pointing out that Hainsey played big minutes when they won the cup, as if that proves he's a great player. I'm suggesting that him playing those minutes isn't the reason they won, therefore, him playing them on that winning team isn't an indication that he's all that great, or ever was.
- Thecakeisalie

Sure, you joined a debate and made it into your own debate. Totally cool.

So is he better then Ceci defensively?

Sure, you joined a debate and made it into your own debate. Totally cool.

So is he better then Ceci defensively?
- aminnes

Now who's trying to twist words?

I haven't seen Ceci play much, so I can't be certain. Maybe he'll be a little worse, but I doubt by that big a margin. Hainsey slowed down the last couple years. And Hainsey was never that great a player to begin with. When we got Hainsey I remember a lot of Pens fans saying they expected Hunwick would be just as good as Hainsey. They didn't have that high an opinion of him.

If he's that bad though, I doubt Babs is going to keep him by Reilly. He's not an idiot. If Ceci is constantly getting pwned, Babs will adjust and put someone else there.

Now who's trying to twist words?

I haven't seen Ceci play much, so I can't be certain. Maybe he'll be a little worse, but I doubt by that big a margin. Hainsey slowed down the last couple years. And Hainsey was never that great a player to begin with. When we got Hainsey I remember a lot of Pens fans saying they expected Hunwick would be just as good as Hainsey. They didn't have that high an opinion of him.

If he's that bad though, I doubt Babs is going to keep him by Reilly. He's not an idiot. If Ceci is constantly getting pwned, Babs will adjust and put someone else there.
- Thecakeisalie

Which brings us to the overall point. as bad as the Leafs defence was last year, it has actually gotten worse in terms of own zone play. The one major thing that needs to be addressed was unfortunately not.

The question most Leafs fans can't seem to answer is who is going to kill penalties? And who is going to kill them effectively and consistently, especially when it matters most.

The Leafs absolutely sucked on the PK in the playoffs. And their season PK wasn't that good either.

Rielly, Barrie, Muzzin, Ceci and then two rookies and/or journeyman and/or AHL defense until Dermott gets back.

And it's adorable watching some people trying to defend Ceci. I'd love to see what these same people would have said if somebody had said "the Leafs should acquire Ceci in a trade" before he was traded here.

The question most Leafs fans can't seem to answer is who is going to kill penalties? And who is going to kill them effectively and consistently, especially when it matters most?

The Leafs absolutely sucked on the PK in the playoffs. And their season PK wasn't that good either.

Rielly, Barrie, Muzzin, Ceci and then two rookies and/or journeyman and/or AHL defense until Dermott gets back.

And it's adorable watching some people trying to defend Ceci. I'd love to see what these same people would have said if somebody had said "the Leafs should acquire Ceci in a trade" before he was traded here.
- JohnFergusonJr

Ceci and Harpur I guess. Gravel killed penalties. Both Ed an Ott finished below the Leafs last season in PK%. Ceci leading the way in overall minutes on the Leafs per last year. The Leafs obviously see him continuing or who will kill penalties?

Also Brown killed and he's gone. With Hyman out for a month, no Marner, the only forward currently on the roster with any real time on the PK is Kapanen. No centres. Very bizarre situation, and they have less than a month to get it al figured out.

Ceci and Harpur I guess. Gravel killed penalties. Both Ed an Ott finished below the Leafs last season in PK%. Ceci leading the way in overall minutes on the Leafs per last year. The Leafs obviously see him continuing or who will kill penalties?

Also Brown killed and he's gone. With Hyman out for a month, no Marner, the only forward currently on the roster with any real time on the PK is Kapanen. No centres. Very bizarre situation, and they have less than a month to get it al figured out.
- aminnes

It's cool. I hear that Babcock has come up with a groundbreaking strategy. The strategy is to not take any penalties. 0. Nadda. I have a good feeling about it.

It's cool. I hear that Babcock has come up with a groundbreaking strategy. The strategy is to not take any penalties. 0. Nadda. I have a good feeling about it.
- Thecakeisalie

Hopefully it goes better than his avoid-engagement draw penalties strategy from last year.

Not trying to shame you at all for this.

But I was recently in Europe and I learned how rude it is to ask about careers/school to people when meeting people.

Like legit, it’s something you don’t talk about with people unless they are very close to you.

Just wanted to share that lol, I just found it interesting how the US/Canada is one of the few countries where it’s acceptable and encourages to do what you did.
- Santo_44

It is perfectly ok to ask people in europe about their occupations. In the rare case they don't want to tell you, they'll just give you a vague answer.
Europeans might put less emphasis on work and not bring it up first - but only because they feel there are other things more interesting to discuss.
Out of curiosity - what part(s) of Europe did you visit?

Hainsey is quite a bit better than Ceci - even if on the end of his career.
Hainsey was (except on PK which was really bad for the whole team) playing an almost perfect playoff series vs Boston - he was really solid defensively. (Btw zaitsev was gokd in playoffs as well).

Will be interesting to see indeed what will happen on PK - expect Shore (he'll make the team bc of his pk abilities - at least during absence of Hyman), Kapanen, Mikheyev and potentially Tavares (played some pk on isles). Marner and Hyman after joining the team.

The pp will be interesting - both marner and barrie want to run the pp, and will be difficult to have them on the same unit.
I think leafs will go with 2 competing pp's to start the season:

Pp-1: matthews - mikheyev - marner - rielly - nylander
Pp-2: johnsson - tavares - spezza - kerfoot - barrie

Can't wait for the season to start..