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seedy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: you don't need an ignore button to ignore someone., CA
Joined: 02.22.2007

Sep 10 @ 4:34 PM ET
skinner-eichel-cozens
vesey-casey-reinhart
olofsson-e-rod-johansson
sheary-lockport larry-tage

IMO that is the best 12 up front constructing a roster

you can make a case for dropping e-rod to the 4th line and let asplund or ruotsalainen handle the 3rd line spot but I just can't see an opening night with larry, girgens, okposo and sobotka in the lineup

I'd send all 4 of them to rochester and let lazar be the 13th skater though if I had my way

- homiedclown


Olofsson is a shooter. I feel like if he gets pushed too far down the lineup he will be a bottom 6 victim. I could see Cozens get the 9 game Rhinehart treatment, but wouldn't bet my own money he makes the team. Tage isnt going to make the team until he gets better dance moves. Somebody from the bottom 6 is getting waived this camp. probably at least one....
matty12345
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.11.2007

Sep 10 @ 5:10 PM ET
skinner-eichel-cozens
vesey-casey-reinhart
olofsson-e-rod-johansson
sheary-lockport larry-tage

IMO that is the best 12 up front constructing a roster

you can make a case for dropping e-rod to the 4th line and let asplund or ruotsalainen handle the 3rd line spot but I just can't see an opening night with larry, girgens, okposo and sobotka in the lineup

I'd send all 4 of them to rochester and let lazar be the 13th skater though if I had my way

- homiedclown

If i had it my way:
Skinner-Eichel-Olofsson
johansson-casey-reinhart
sheary-Routsoleinen/Pekar-vesey
CJ Smith, Asplund, Okposo

Let the kids play.

Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Sep 10 @ 5:37 PM ET
Yeah, I would waive Sobotka and Wilson yesterday. But there’s 0 point in doing that pre-camp.

I think Asplund, Ruostolainen, CJ Smith and Thompson will all be given a shot to make the team out of camp, and I still am pretty confident this team isn’t going into the year with Risto on the roster.

- OneKaneOneCup


I would say the point would be twofold: 1) To stop even contemplating having them on the roster because "they did it the right way" against some undrafted schmucks from Pittsburgh. And B) To give extra time to the young kids instead of having a moping black hole skate around.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Sep 10 @ 5:37 PM ET
Olofsson is a shooter. I feel like if he gets pushed too far down the lineup he will be a bottom 6 victim. I could see Cozens get the 9 game Rhinehart treatment, but wouldn't bet my own money he makes the team. Tage isnt going to make the team until he gets better dance moves. Somebody from the bottom 6 is getting waived this camp. probably at least one....
- seedy


Buck it, Seedy.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Sep 10 @ 6:10 PM ET
More severe injuries in tennis then baseball , basketball
- gerbe75pts


https://www.stanfordchild...jury-statistics-90-P02787

No tennis

Among athletes ages 5 to 14, 28 percent of percent of football players, 25 percent of baseball players, 22 percent of soccer players, 15 percent of basketball players, and 12 percent of softball players were injured while playing their respective sports
- https://www.stopsportsinj...13-4970-a47d-ed621dfc7b9b


No tennis there either

https://coachad.com/artic...-to-high-school-athletes/

Almost 3x more kids got hurt horseback riding than playing tennis there. And basketball had the HIGHEST incidence of injury.



Once again, way down the list. About on par with equestrian and modern pentathlon, more archers get hurt, almost as many table tennis players get hurt.

Tennis is not nearly as dangerous as basketball, baseball, hockey, football, gymnastics, cheerleading, etc... A lot of studies I pulled up didn't even bother to study tennis. But soccer, volleyball, and softball/baseball were.
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Sep 10 @ 6:20 PM ET
https://www.stanfordchild...jury-statistics-90-P02787

No tennis



No tennis there either

https://coachad.com/artic...-to-high-school-athletes/

Almost 3x more kids got hurt horseback riding than playing tennis there. And basketball had the HIGHEST incidence of injury.



Once again, way down the list. About on par with equestrian and modern pentathlon, more archers get hurt, almost as many table tennis players get hurt.

Tennis is not nearly as dangerous as basketball, baseball, hockey, football, gymnastics, cheerleading, etc... A lot of studies I pulled up didn't even bother to study tennis. But soccer, volleyball, and softball/baseball were.

- Wetbandit1


Facts:

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Sep 10 @ 6:23 PM ET
The six forwards:
Sobotka - zero trade value
Wilson - zero trade value
Larsson - low round pick value at the deadline maybe
Girgensons - nothing to low round pick value at the deadline
Sheary - Possibly a 3rd round pick
Vesey - hopefully back with the club

The four defensemen:
Scandella - zero trade value
Hunwick - Zero trade Value
Nelson - likely resigns
Bogosian - too often injured to have any value, but if he manages to be healthy at the deadline might get you a mid round pick.

There is no real value in that entire group. I doubt he gets much of anything for them.

- matty12345


Good post
Seems there’s a reason none of these guys have been moved
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Sep 10 @ 6:25 PM ET
he can play with Oglevie and CJ Smith

in Rochester

- homiedclown


Lol
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Sep 10 @ 6:43 PM ET
He can still shoot on the PP, but he's too slow to get to scoring areas 5-on-5, and he just cant keep up with the pace of play. I wouldn't play him with Mitts; we need Mittelstadt to produce and Okposo will be a boat anchor for him. Playing him with Eichel would be similar to what Edmonton tried with lucic. Bad idea imo. We at least need one line to score

Best bet is to bury him on the 4th line with larry and girgs and ask him to please stop taking dumb penalties

- jcragcrumple


I think you’re being a bit harsh, but o see where you’re coming from

Problem is, Okposo on line 4 puts Sobotka back in the top9... f that
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Sep 10 @ 6:46 PM ET
I think you’re being a bit harsh, but o see where you’re coming from

Problem is, Okposo on line 4 puts Sobotka back in the top9... f that

- jdfitz77



This might be the best take ever written in the history of sports talk...you are on another level bro!







Huge fan btw
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Sep 10 @ 6:47 PM ET
Just noticed this on Sabres.com

Preseason games-

Pens games (penn state) - streamed online locally

Columbus - streamed online locally

Leaf home / home - msg (sportsnet broadcast)

Columbus - msg

Pens - msg. Pens broadcast.

It’s 2019 and still embarrassing the Sabres can’t get their own broadcast on msg for preseason games.

- Sabretooth9


At least we'll be able to watch every game. That's a definite step in the right direction.
Chris16
Buffalo Sabres
Location: CT
Joined: 06.22.2012

Sep 10 @ 6:50 PM ET
If i had it my way:
Skinner-Eichel-Olofsson
johansson-casey-reinhart
sheary-Routsoleinen/Pekar-vesey
CJ Smith, Asplund, Okposo

Let the kids play.

- matty12345



No ERod? JCrag is gonna come at you bro.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Sep 10 @ 6:52 PM ET
I think you’re being a bit harsh, but o see where you’re coming from

Problem is, Okposo on line 4 puts Sobotka back in the top9... f that

- jdfitz77


Sobotka shouldn't be considered for any position on any line under any circumstances for any reason by any capable NHL mind ever after last year
Chris16
Buffalo Sabres
Location: CT
Joined: 06.22.2012

Sep 10 @ 6:52 PM ET
At least we'll be able to watch every game. That's a definite step in the right direction.
- Wetbandit1



Out of market fans get screwed......
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Sep 10 @ 6:53 PM ET
No ERod? JCrag is gonna come at you bro.
- Chris16


jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Sep 10 @ 6:54 PM ET
This might be the best take ever written in the history of sports talk...you are on another level bro!







Huge fan btw

- washedup20


Still? Really?
Smh dude
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Sep 10 @ 6:55 PM ET
Sobotka shouldn't be considered for any position on any line under any circumstances for any reason by any capable NHL mind ever after last year
- jcragcrumple


I think he’d actually be fine on line4 in a defensive role

Would love to just get rid of him,
but it doesn’t look like that’s gonna happen
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Sep 10 @ 7:00 PM ET
I think he’d actually be fine on line4 in a defensive role

Would love to just get rid of him,
but it doesn’t look like that’s gonna happen

- jdfitz77


He was by more than one metric the very worst, or a top-5 worst NHL forward last year

He shouldn't be on any team. They are undoubtedly better off by waiving him. And that's not accounting for his attitude
Chris16
Buffalo Sabres
Location: CT
Joined: 06.22.2012

Sep 10 @ 7:22 PM ET
Good article about Kruegs from Sabres.com. Not sure if it was already posted. I really like everything this guy has to say. I think at a minumum we see much better effort and attitude from everyone. Combine that with the skill we added and maybe this team can play above their overall skill level.

https://www.nhl.com/sabre...-camp-preview/c-309028380
OneKaneOneCup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.21.2013

Sep 10 @ 7:24 PM ET
He was by more than one metric the very worst, or a top-5 worst NHL forward last year

He shouldn't be on any team. They are undoubtedly better off by waiving him. And that's not accounting for his attitude

- jcragcrumple

He gone
PrinceChill
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.06.2014

Sep 10 @ 7:31 PM ET
Good article about Kruegs from Sabres.com. Not sure if it was already posted. I really like everything this guy has to say. I think at a minumum we see much better effort and attitude from everyone. Combine that with the skill we added and maybe this team can play above their overall skill level.

https://www.nhl.com/sabre...-camp-preview/c-309028380

- Chris16

Is he good with tanking, though? He must know the drill here...
seedy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: you don't need an ignore button to ignore someone., CA
Joined: 02.22.2007

Sep 10 @ 7:35 PM ET
Buck it, Seedy.
- Wetbandit1


I'll do it later. GOD!
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Sep 10 @ 7:45 PM ET
Again, if your biggest complaint is that an old veteran skilled player didn't score enough of his 16 goals from the fourth line, I really think we should have been a playoff team.

The point is he wasn't a problem last year. On a team whose real issues were secondary scoring, team defense, and goaltending, Pominville had the most goals by anyone not named Jack, Sam, or Jeff, was pretty average defensively, and didn't play goal. How he ends up being the only player off this roster is beyond me.

There is no organizational accountability for the players. Blaim Housley sure, but don't forget how many coaches these guys have gone through.

But yeah, Pominville doesn't hit people, so it's all on him.

- matty12345

Good post
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Sep 10 @ 7:49 PM ET
Out of market fans get screwed......
- Chris16


One step at a time.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Sep 10 @ 7:50 PM ET
Facts:


- washedup20


Why you always come at me out of nowhere, bro?! Butt out! Man up!
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