you fail to understand that total point > points per 60 or points/game etc.
every GM in league will prefer a player that has 90 points in 82 games over a guy that gets 45 points over 40 games.
- MaximusAurelius

you're blowing your load over one season for marner, playing with a guy who elevates his linemates. every. single. year.

pre-tavares

willy:
81 61
82 61

lil mitch
77 61
82 69

let marner sit to start the year.

willy will be on a 100-point pace and nobody will give a flying (frank) that marner is sitting.

you're blowing your load over one season for marner, playing with a guy who elevates his linemates. every. single. year.

pre-tavares

willy:
81 61
82 61

lil mitch
77 61
82 69

let marner sit to start the year.

willy will be on a 100-point pace and nobody will give a flying (frank) that marner is sitting.
- Tumbleweed

If Marner sits it won’t be for just the start of the year

sure, i suggested several times last year (when nylander was holding out) that nylander + for jones would be a perfect trade for leafs.

you're probably one of the last people around that feel nylander is better than marner.
- MaximusAurelius

I don't think Nylander is better than Marner.

I think Marner and his ridiculous salary demands are not necessarily needed on this team. I have 0 interest in paying 3 forwards 34 million dollars a year.

I think he can fetch a good return (better than Nylander) that can really help improve the organisation (more than a trade of Nylander could) and help bring down the financial committment to only 3 forwards.

I think the Leafs need more balance on the roster and open up a bit of cap space. Trading Marner would solve both those issues (moreso than trading Nylander).

I've said this multiple times.

If Marner sits it won’t be for just the start of the year
- Canada Cup

(frank) him and his nonsense.

let him sit this year and take a risk that there is a lock out next year.

you're blowing your load over one season for marner, playing with a guy who elevates his linemates. every. single. year.

pre-tavares

willy:
81 61
82 61

lil mitch
77 61
82 69

let marner sit to start the year.

willy will be on a 100-point pace and nobody will give a flying (frank) that marner is sitting.
- Tumbleweed

Nylander with Matthews and Hyman.
Marner driving the line with Bozak and JVR.

Nylander on a 100point pace will not happen unless Matthews rips it up and is on a 150+ point pace after 20 games.

Nylander doesn't come in top20 wingers in league.
Marner does, and in top10.

(frank) him and his nonsense.

let him sit this year and take a risk that there is a lock out next year.
- Tumbleweed

That’s why he’ll sign

I don't think Nylander is better than Marner.

I think Marner and his ridiculous salary demands are not necessarily needed on this team. I have 0 interest in paying 3 forwards 34 million dollars a year.

I think he can fetch a good return (better than Nylander) that can really help improve the organisation (more than a trade of Nylander could) and help bring down the financial committment to only 3 forwards.

I think the Leafs need more balance on the roster and open up a bit of cap space. Trading Marner would solve both those issues (moreso than trading Nylander).

I've said this multiple times.
- walshyleafsfan

Fair enough.
Why are you not upset by the bad Matthews' contract then?
Or even JT signing?

Matthews-Marner-JT are core.
Nylander is not.
You don't trade away one of your best 3 players.
Point is Dubas should have not lowballed Marner before last season, and all of this drama wouldn't have happened. He could have resigned Matthews earlier to a lower AAV deal as well.

Fair enough.
Why are you not upset by the bad Matthews' contract then?
Or even JT signing?

Matthews-Marner-JT are core.
Nylander is not.
You don't trade away one of your best 3 players.
Point is Dubas should have not lowballed Marner before last season, and all of this drama wouldn't have happened. He could have resigned Matthews earlier to a lower AAV deal as well.
- MaximusAurelius

source

you're blowing your load over one season for marner, playing with a guy who elevates his linemates. every. single. year.

pre-tavares

willy:
81 61
82 61

lil mitch
77 61
82 69

let marner sit to start the year.

willy will be on a 100-point pace and nobody will give a flying (frank) that marner is sitting.
- Tumbleweed

Your blowing your mind over Nylander who doesn't even have one great season but now he's a top 5 NHL scorer with 100 points.

Nylander with Matthews and Hyman.
Marner driving the line with Bozak and JVR.

Nylander on a 100point pace will not happen unless Matthews rips it up and is on a 150+ point pace after 20 games.

Nylander doesn't come in top20 wingers in league.
Marner does, and in top10.
- MaximusAurelius

sure, i suggested several times last year (when nylander was holding out) that nylander + for jones would be a perfect trade for leafs.

you're probably one of the last people around that feel nylander is better than marner.
- MaximusAurelius

How (frank)ing big is that + if Nylander is getting you jones? Amazing that Nylander isn't worth his deal but is somehow going to be the main piece to get Jones. BJ's probably don't do jones for Marner straight up, they'd be asking for Matthews

Nylander with Matthews and Hyman.
Marner driving the line with Bozak and JVR.

Nylander on a 100point pace will not happen unless Matthews rips it up and is on a 150+ point pace after 20 games.

Nylander doesn't come in top20 wingers in league.
Marner does, and in top10.
- MaximusAurelius

put nylander with tavares. guaranteed willy be on a 100 point pace. leafs will be winning and nobody will care that marner is a home playing candy crush.

Yeah because no GM ever says they will sign a player that they own the rights to. EVER.

That’s a huge no no obviously
- Santo_44

I was hoping Strome would still be available at the draft.
- Atomic Wedgie

source
- TheMussel

Marner was open to signing a new contract with Leafs before start of last season.
Didn't reach an agreement.
Hence, Dubas lowballed him at the time - if not, he would have signed.

He can’t afford to miss a whole season.
- Canada Cup

It makes no sense to miss any time. This gets done right before game 1.

The least likely scenario is him missing the season. I cannot believe he would be that stupid. There is literally no upside for him doing that.

Your blowing your mind over Nylander who doesn't even have one great season but now he's a top 5 NHL scorer with 100 points.
- aminnes

tavares turned marner from a 60-point player to a 95-point player.

brazal went from 85 points with and 62 points without tavares.

moulson, bailey & okposo - career ~45 point players that tavares elevated to ~70 point players.

but willy will probably have 25 less points playing with JT.

Marner was open to signing a new contract with Leafs before start of last season.
Didn't reach an agreement.
Hence, Dubas lowballed him at the time - if not, he would have signed.
- MaximusAurelius

This is pretty specious reasoning.

It's also not a source.

i responded to your post where you brought up 'facts'.
if you do not accept these (important) facts - can you give some examples of other that would be important to the GMs in assessing contract values?
- MaximusAurelius

#1 Center with size, who is the best 5v5 scoring player in the league since he entered.

>>>>>>>

Every argument you, or others, have made.

Throw in the fact that Marner had Tavares and Matthews had primarily a couple rookies.

Fair enough.
Why are you not upset by the bad Matthews' contract then?
Or even JT signing?

Matthews-Marner-JT are core.
Nylander is not.
You don't trade away one of your best 3 players.
Point is Dubas should have not lowballed Marner before last season, and all of this drama wouldn't have happened. He could have resigned Matthews earlier to a lower AAV deal as well.
- MaximusAurelius

I don't mind the Matthews deal as I'm delighted to have him for 5 more years. He's our best player, face of the franchise and can score goals 5vs5 like very few others can, which on a team like the Leafs, who are generally in the bottom 2 or 3 teams in terms of PP opportunities, is paramount.

I don't mind JT either because he's a star centre, who was a UFA. He's getting that deal every day of the week and it's justified through his body of work.

If you trade Marner for Jones (doubt CLB would) then instead of your core being Matthews, JT and Marner it becomes Matthews, JT and Jones.

You then have some cap space to upgrade elsewhere should the opportunity arrives. As of right now, we don't have that option.

Marner was open to signing a new contract with Leafs before start of last season.
Didn't reach an agreement.
Hence, Dubas lowballed him at the time - if not, he would have signed.
- MaximusAurelius

It is just my opinion but you’re an idiot..

put nylander with tavares. guaranteed willy be on a 100 point pace. leafs will be winning and nobody will care that marner is a home playing candy crush.
- Tumbleweed

We're going in circles here - it seems obvious we're not going to agree on this.
I sincerely hope you'll be right about Nylander and he's a better player than I believe he is.

I do hope Marner will start the season though - I don't understand why Leafs fans are so negative on him for not signing a new contract yet ; seems both sides are to blame here, and training camp hasn't started yet - last year much less criticism on Nylander in Nov compared Marner early September... (plus as I said several times , I believe the NHLPA CBA decision has an impact - I expect Marner to sign his new deal 16Sept).

tavares turned marner from a 60-point player to a 95-point player.

brazal went from 85 points with and 62 points without tavares.

moulson, bailey & okposo - career ~45 point players that tavares elevated to ~70 point players.

but willy will probably have 25 less points playing with JT.
- Tumbleweed

And before anyone says BUT Barzal didnt play with Tavares, we know that

But it still forced Barzal to now get all the tough matchups which was clearly a much more difficult task for him.

Marner was open to signing a new contract with Leafs before start of last season.
Didn't reach an agreement.
Hence, Dubas lowballed him at the time - if not, he would have signed.
- MaximusAurelius

It was said Dubas tried to sign Mitch last off-season but the Marner camp had no interest. Dubas tried. Mitch was like "gimme my 1.6 mil bonuses that Lou owes me".

Dubas was like "what the (frank) man, you sound like a 13 year old".

It was said Dubas tried to sign Mitch last off-season but the Marner camp had no interest. Dubas tried. Mitch was like "gimme my 1.6 mil bonuses that Lou owes me".

Dubas was like "what the (frank) man, you sound like a 13 year old".
- walshyleafsfan

Lol 😂 nah he obviously only offered 4milx8 cause.... reasons