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Djapana
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Sunset Dreaming, FL
Joined: 09.16.2017

Sep 12 @ 1:51 PM ET
So Myers has played very well last year and so far in rookie camp, but he's 45 behind 3 players?
- Hextall271



I agree I thought that seemed low and maybe Ratcliffe a bit high. The one that jumped out at me was Cole Caufield at #6. If so the Habs got a great deal. I was actually glad the Flyers passed on him for York. But a ranking that high makes me question the whole list
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Sep 12 @ 1:52 PM ET
Pronman ranks on career ceiling, not on current standing.
- Tomahawk


Ah Ok. What a tough call that is.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Sep 12 @ 1:55 PM ET
I want to stir the pot but it is going to fast...
shekkie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Perkasie, PA
Joined: 07.05.2007

Sep 12 @ 1:57 PM ET
Anyone else us Hulu Live for TV?

For some reason the game wouldn't stream last night. I wondered if it was because of my proximity to Lehigh Valley? I mean I get all the NBC Sports channels and never have issues with regular season games.

Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Sep 12 @ 1:58 PM ET
I agree I thought that seemed low and maybe Ratcliffe a bit high. The one that jumped out at me was Cole Caufield at #6. If so the Habs got a great deal. I was actually glad the Flyers passed on him for York. But a ranking that high makes me question the whole list
- Djapana


Maybe Caufield ends up being a Danny Briere, but even if he does, in today's NHL, solid young two way dmen are worth their weight in gold, and more than other positions. If you truly do have an abundance of them, you can trade them for a ton, cause they're always one of the hardest pieces to fill in a team's roster puzzle. Look at the Leafs for example. Some good young players on D, but proper depth on the back end is holding them back. I can understand the pick.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 12 @ 2:01 PM ET
The opposite extreme positions are what should've been taken back in May and June as a negotiation tactic. They should be near middle ground at this point. Werenski and his agent found it. The player has the authority to move the agent from that opposite extreme position.
- MJL


Running out the clock is a viable strategy for both sides. It could still end up coming together really quickly. No reason to panic. TK doesn't have that much leverage, and the Flyers can't afford to have him miss time.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Sep 12 @ 2:01 PM ET
If I was Provorov, based on Werenski's deal, I'd be looking for a similar bridge deal.
- MJL

Totally agree. 100%
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Sep 12 @ 2:03 PM ET
That respect is for everyone on the board. Not just from supeschenn but from you as well to other members. You can't preach to someone to show respect while disrespecting him. That is called hypocrisy.

**back to lurking**

- mikel33

No need to lurk. Hang out for a while.
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Sep 12 @ 2:04 PM ET
That respect is for everyone on the board. Not just from supeschenn but from you as well to other members. You can't preach to someone to show respect while disrespecting him. That is called hypocrisy.

**back to lurking**

- mikel33

we are all part of the same hypocrisy senator
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 12 @ 2:09 PM ET
Newport Sports as a vested interest in maximizing their commission. Part of their job is selling their clients on their maximum theoretical worth, based on comparables, trends, etc.

Most players just want to play hockey and get paid fairly. Most impasses are due to agents and team execs taking opposite extreme positions.

- Tomahawk



I think the point in the end is that Konecny is in no position to have an extreme position.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 12 @ 2:10 PM ET
we are all part of the same hypocrisy senator
- daryl stanley



Because I intend to squeeze you Mr. StanLEE
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Sep 12 @ 2:10 PM ET
feels good to finally be on the outside...

::sits back, lights cigar, promptly sets self on fire::
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Sep 12 @ 2:11 PM ET
I think the point in the end is that Konecny is in no position to have an extreme position.
- MBFlyerfan


especially with the labanc extension.

wait for it.....
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Sep 12 @ 2:12 PM ET
What we thinking? Provy getting 6 x $6 mill?
- Flyers1218


I think he'll get more than 6mil.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Sep 12 @ 2:13 PM ET
we are all part of the same hypocrisy senator
- daryl stanley

I can’t argue with him. He’s right. I was being just as stupid.
mikel33
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 08.09.2007

Sep 12 @ 2:14 PM ET
we are all part of the same hypocrisy senator
- daryl stanley


"Just when I thought I was out…they pull me back in!"

I just saw those movies for the first time recently.. as crazy as that is.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Sep 12 @ 2:15 PM ET
I think the point in the end is that Konecny is in no position to have an extreme position.
- MBFlyerfan

It’s curious, because I though Fletcher had said a month or so ago that he wasn’t as concerned. So something must have changed. Isn’t Newport comparable to the hockey version of Scott Boras?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 12 @ 2:17 PM ET
I think the point in the end is that Konecny is in no position to have an extreme position.
- MBFlyerfan


Extreme as in on the edges of the gamut of possible outcomes, not as in he's asking for the Auston Matthews contract.

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 12 @ 2:20 PM ET
You can tell the season is just around the corner - a lot of testy conversation is on.
- RustyPipes


Just wait till we start discussing whether Couturier should be the 3C behind Hayes and Patrick.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 12 @ 2:20 PM ET
Extreme as in on the edges of the gamut of possible outcomes, not as in he's asking for the Auston Matthews contract.


- Tomahawk



Of course not. That would just be career suicide. Which IMO he is committing right now if he thinks he is worth anything over 5 aav

My guess is that the flyers see him as a bridge 3.5 type of guy and Konecny wants closer to 6.

Hopefully they come in at 4.5 where most of us have been predicting all along.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 12 @ 2:22 PM ET
Just wait till we start discussing whether Couturier should be the 3C behind Hayes and Patrick.
- Feanor




In all seriousness though...


Couturier is arguably the best 2 way center in the game according to The Athletic. And they made a pretty good case that he is.

We as a fanbase need to start recognizing what a special player he actually is.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Sep 12 @ 2:22 PM ET
A visit from the commish, and we're only through the rookie game!!???
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 12 @ 2:25 PM ET
Calgary re-signed Stone at $700,000 after buying him out.

So it's possible that the Flyers will bring back MacDonald. He could play in the top 4 if Provy holds out.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 12 @ 2:26 PM ET
I agree I thought that seemed low and maybe Ratcliffe a bit high. The one that jumped out at me was Cole Caufield at #6. If so the Habs got a great deal. I was actually glad the Flyers passed on him for York. But a ranking that high makes me question the whole list
- Djapana



Its weird that Pronman always calls out Frost for his speed. The guy who has won fastest skater competitions both and without the puck.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 12 @ 2:26 PM ET
Of course not. That would just be career suicide. Which IMO he is committing right now if he thinks he is worth anything over 5 aav

My guess is that the flyers see him as a bridge 3.5 type of guy and Konecny wants closer to 6.

Hopefully they come in at 4.5 where most of us have been predicting all along.

- MBFlyerfan


My hunch is that the team wants to lock him into a Coots/Ghost/Simmonds kind of long term deal. TK probably wants a shorter bridge, since he's likely to hit 30+ goals soon, and that will likely translate into boo koo bucks.
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