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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 12 @ 9:07 PM ET
Hard to believe anyone wouldn’t like this deal. Did he struggle last year? Yeah, he did, but any D man playing the minutes, facing the matchups he did, and often with subpar goaltending behind him, is going to struggle.

He has been used as a #1 Dman since he was 19, and overall he’s done a decent job. He now has 3 centers playing in front of him who are all solid to great defensively and he’ll have a smart, experienced partner playing with him. And the goaltender behind him should be solid from day one of the season.

He likely won’t put big points as Ghost and Sanheim should, and deservingly so, get the pp time. But he’s going to match up against the opponents best lines, be on the top PK pairing and probably give you 24 or so minutes per game.

He is absolutely worth 6.75 million per over 6 years.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 12 @ 9:11 PM ET
Fletch must've come in pretty low if this is what they settled on. Honestly it's a great deal. Good job Fletch.
- hereticpride

Definitely seems like the case.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 12 @ 9:12 PM ET
TK apparently has a lot of leverage. He has great numbers considering his usage

https://www.tsn.ca/the-nu...ct-negotiations-1.1364634

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Offer sheet all of them!!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 12 @ 9:14 PM ET
Omg teh Flyers gave Provorov more than Werenski. Fletcher is an idiot Flyers fail again lollz.

Seriously, it's a good deal for 6 years.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 12 @ 9:15 PM ET
Offer sheet all of them!!
- SuperSchennBros


Haha
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 12 @ 9:16 PM ET
Omg teh Flyers gave Provorov more thsn Werenski. Fletcher is an idiot Flyers fail again lollz.

Seriously, it's a good deal for 6 years.

- jmatchett383

Hard to believe that folks can’t grasp this. OTOH this is HockeyBuzz so.....
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Sep 12 @ 9:17 PM ET
I was calling for 7 yrs 7m per so a fair contract for Provy.
Glad to have him in camp day one.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Sep 12 @ 9:21 PM ET
Excellent! Good for Provy and good for the Flyers. A n d..training camp tomorrow! All those who start camp on-time have the best opportunity for success. It’s kind of like college when you’re late turning in a paper. -10 the first day and once completed, you have to negotiate the rest of the penalty depending on eventually length of lateness and believability of excuse.

TK just get it done ASAP and get to camp! At one point, the TK camp was rumored to be “close.” If we are still talking about this next week, I will be mildly concerned. A hold out will do him, the team and the fans no good. Although there’s a handful of former 1st round picks that might be slightly excited.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 12 @ 9:24 PM ET
Phenomenal deal. Less than expected (was expecting 8mil)...and not a bridge
- Hckygoalie31



I have a real hard time understanding how anyone was expecting an 8M AAV. That was never going to happen.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 12 @ 9:26 PM ET
I wouldn’t call it a steal. Provorov did quite well for himself. He was asked to play a lot of minutes and he did for a lottery team that leaned on him heavily due to the club’s deficiencies. He’s still a young player with a near 7 mil cap number that has not shown that he can qb a power play with much success in this league. He is solid in his own end and has a decent shot but he doesn’t get creative offensively and has to bounce back from a bad, concerning year. It appears to be a fair deal
- Just5


Not every top defenseman on your team has to be a PP QB. He showed in the 17/18 season how well he can play offensively, filling lanes coming late. He's never going to be flashy offensively or a big point producer.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 12 @ 9:27 PM ET
I wouldn’t call it a steal. Provorov did quite well for himself. He was asked to play a lot of minutes and he did for a lottery team that leaned on him heavily due to the club’s deficiencies. He’s still a young player with a near 7 mil cap number that has not shown that he can qb a power play with much success in this league. He is solid in his own end and has a decent shot but he doesn’t get creative offensively and has to bounce back from a bad, concerning year. It appears to be a fair deal
- Just5

He plays a poop ton of tough minutes, and didn't he lead all defenseman in the league in goals two years ago? I'm not really worried about him being the QB on the PP. That's really G's job more than anyone anyway.

If this signing isn't a steal it's damn near close. The way contracts keep rising this average cap hit will be an average 2nd pairing player type contract in no time.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Sep 12 @ 9:29 PM ET
That's a steal if he develops as planned and not too painful if he just turns out to be pretty average.

Seems like a reasonable deal. I'm not sure why they couldn't reach this sooner but I'm glad he'll be in camp.

Now we'll see if they turn around trade Hagg like some suspected.

- hereticpride


You should feel shame. Very much same for bring up a Hagg trade. Shame
Hckygoalie31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 09.25.2017

Sep 12 @ 9:30 PM ET
I have a real hard time understanding how anyone was expecting an 8M AAV. That was never going to happen.
- MJL



Well....if you hear enough 8-10mil rumors...

You know what they say...where there's smoke...

I think Werenski's deal might have made Provy's camp kinda take a step back.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 12 @ 9:31 PM ET
You should feel shame. Very much same for bring up a Hagg trade. Shame
- peesinwind

I mean do the math. It's not likely they carry all these D men...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 12 @ 9:31 PM ET
He plays a poop ton of tough minutes, and didn't he lead all defenseman in the league in goals two years ago? I'm not really worried about him being the QB on the PP. That's really G's job more than anyone anyway.

If this signing isn't a steal it's damn near close. The way contracts keep rising this average cap hit will be an average 2nd pairing player type contract in no time.

- hereticpride


It's a slight overpay for a year or two, but down the road if he gets back to where he was and improves even further, it's a really good deal for the Flyers. Provorov gets some security. It's a deal that benefits both sides. It's a straight no nonsense deal. No salary loading with no signing bonuses. I can't understand why this took so long.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 12 @ 9:32 PM ET
Well....if you hear enough 8-10mil rumors...

You know what they say...where there's smoke...

I think Werenski's deal might have made Provy's camp kinda take a step back.

- Hckygoalie31


I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Provorov's agent even said that the rumors out there were false. Many were talking 8M a year in here. That was never going to happen.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 12 @ 9:37 PM ET
It's a slight overpay for a year or two, but down the road if he gets back to where he was and improves even further, it's a really good deal for the Flyers. Provorov gets some security. It's a deal that benefits both sides. It's a straight no nonsense deal. No salary loading with no signing bonuses. I can't understand why this took so long.
- MJL

My guess is his agent wanted to drag it out as long as possible to make sure no money got left on the table. Who knows.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Sep 12 @ 9:40 PM ET
It's a slight overpay for a year or two, but down the road if he gets back to where he was and improves even further, it's a really good deal for the Flyers. Provorov gets some security. It's a deal that benefits both sides. It's a straight no nonsense deal. No salary loading with no signing bonuses. I can't understand why this took so long.
- MJL


Their will be $12 million in signing bonus money as a part of the deal, according to TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Sep 12 @ 9:41 PM ET
I mean do the math. It's not likely they carry all these D men...
- hereticpride


I get you but we are only talking about 8 D guys. At one point I was thinking that they would never carry 8 but some folks in here made sense to me about that. Even Bill said it is not a bad option for the Flyers. Plus injuries always seem to pile up on the blue line. Hagg is still young and many say that he is what he is. I just can’t believe that at his age he is not going to keep improving. But if someone gets traded in my mind it is Hagg. I don’t want to see Morin go. Just think he is a total freak and one day Morin will be that bottom 4 PK crease clearing monster.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Sep 12 @ 9:42 PM ET
I have a real hard time understanding how anyone was expecting an 8M AAV. That was never going to happen.
- MJL


That was the ballpark of the initial ask for long-term, supposedly, but neither side realistically expected to close there. Gander declined Hextall's attempt to negotiate last summer and preferred to wait until this summer. They may not admit it but the Werenski bridge deal helped set the AAV range on a longer term deal for Provorov.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 12 @ 9:44 PM ET
Their will be $12 million in signing bonus money as a part of the deal, according to TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun
- bird_dog_pa


We'll see. CapFriendly has McKenzie as the source with no signing bonus money in the deal.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 12 @ 9:46 PM ET
That was the ballpark of the initial ask for long-term, supposedly, but neither side realistically expected to close there. Gander declined Hextall's attempt to negotiate last summer and preferred to wait until this summer. They may not admit it but the Werenski bridge deal helped set the AAV range on a longer term deal for Provorov.
- bmeltzer


Probably but that's just a number Gander was throwing to Hextall to test the waters. Never a realistic possibility. The 7M salary for Werenski probably helped set the market. I think a similar bridge deal would've been better for Provorov but I'm glad hs signed this deal.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Sep 12 @ 9:50 PM ET
Hard to believe anyone wouldn’t like this deal. Did he struggle last year? Yeah, he did, but any D man playing the minutes, facing the matchups he did, and often with subpar goaltending behind him, is going to struggle.

He has been used as a #1 Dman since he was 19, and overall he’s done a decent job. He now has 3 centers playing in front of him who are all solid to great defensively and he’ll have a smart, experienced partner playing with him. And the goaltender behind him should be solid from day one of the season.

He likely won’t put big points as Ghost and Sanheim should, and deservingly so, get the pp time. But he’s going to match up against the opponents best lines, be on the top PK pairing and probably give you 24 or so minutes per game.

He is absolutely worth 6.75 million per over 6 years.

- BiggE


This deal is a great deal for the team. I fully expect Provy to out play this contract by then end of year 2.

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Sep 12 @ 9:55 PM ET
He plays a poop ton of tough minutes, and didn't he lead all defenseman in the league in goals two years ago? I'm not really worried about him being the QB on the PP. That's really G's job more than anyone anyway.

If this signing isn't a steal it's damn near close. The way contracts keep rising this average cap hit will be an average 2nd pairing player type contract in no time.

- hereticpride


Like tomahawk has said before... he’s jay bowmeester. A 22 year old jay bowmeester in today’s nhl is absolutely worth that deal. Its fair value but I’m not doing cartwheels
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Sep 12 @ 9:58 PM ET
If Provorov plays like we all know he can, it's absolutely a bargain. I don't think you could have asked for a better deal in terms of both term and money.
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