Chris Stewart! Just channel your inner Jon Sim!!

Chris Stewart! Just channel your inner Jon Sim!!
- SuperSchennBros

If he does he'll have 15 goals by the end of preseason.

I remember they used to call Brian savage me October. Used to dominate in preseason and the fall. Disappear thereafter

Chris Stewart! Just channel your inner Jon Sim!!
- SuperSchennBros

I don't mind players that bring the physical element. I know it is leaving the game, but to know you have a teammate that will stand toe to toe with anyone to me still provides security/confidence.

Example was our rookies game. Isles were throwing big hits and resulted in hesitation from some of ours.

last year when simmonds fought Oleksiak from the pens the tone completely changed. Pens were not as confident with the physical battles or mouthing off.

This is also why i think anderoff, gabriel or outside shot of stewart makes the team out of camp.

If he does he'll have 15 goals by the end of preseason.

I remember they used to call Brian savage me October. Used to dominate in preseason and the fall. Disappear thereafter
- Hextall271

he and geoff sanderson could really fly back then

If he wants Voracek money, then yes it would probably behoove the Flyers not to cave in. Just remember though, the market is dynamic and constantly evolving. From TK's POV you just saw your team sign a 2C to a contract worth 7 AAV, a winger who is better right now, but is somewhat also 1 dimension and older for a similar amount to Hayes, and watched the Yotes sign Keller to that contract. Although he isn't as good as Nylander, you also saw that contract get signed. I don't think it's unreasonable for him to at least ask for that. It probably is unreasonable if the Flyers signed it.

Also don't think it's fair to compare him to Leino or Raffl because TK has been consistent.
- 2sticks1puck

Konecny asking for Voracek money is completely unreasonable.

Not possible or not going to happen?

Edit: Assuming the CBA would be amended.
- jmatchett383

In actual reality and context, not possible.

I'm telling you guys, the gerbil is stuck.
- jmatchett383

That reference might be a bit before certain posters time......
Unless that urban legend reappears with new characters

Also don't think it's fair to compare him to Leino or Raffl because TK has been consistent.
- 2sticks1puck

Consistent points-wise, yes, but for 2 seasons. His special teams points went up, which is great.

However, his plus/minus took a dive (+17 to -4), his hits were down by 1/3, and his giveaways went up from 38 to 49 (to be fair, his takeaways increased, too, so there’s that).

Management has an idea of his worth, and it appears that his agent has surpassed that amount and isn’t willing to move. This could go on for a while.

That game was blacked out locally for me. (YouTube TV)

Consistent points-wise, yes, but for 2 seasons. His special teams points went up, which is great.

However, his plus/minus took a dive (+17 to -4), his hits were down by 1/3, and his giveaways went up from 38 to 49 (to be fair, his takeaways increased, too, so there’s that).

Management has an idea of his worth, and it appears that his agent has surpassed that amount and isn’t willing to move. This could go on for a while.
- tangent_man

The entire team's +/- took a dive. I think there were two players on the entire team that were plus. Giroux and Couturier. Couturier was only a +2.

The entire team's +/- took a dive. I think there were two players on the entire team that were plus. Giroux and Couturier. Couturier was only a +2.
- MJL

I meant to mention that the whole team didn’t fare so well in that regard. Thanks.

Konecny asking for Voracek money is completely unreasonable.
- MJL

Not as absurd as you'd think. TK's last two season's his goal scoring totals were higher than Voracek's career high at the point he signed that contract. I would give you that Voracek was/is the superior player because of his vastly better playmaking ability, however that contract was 5 years ago, which might as well be an eternity in terms of the market. I'm not arguing that he's worth 8 million, but an agent would be silly if he didn't at least start high in hopes the final number would be like 5-6.

Sadly TK isn't impressing his new coach much. After reading Bill's comments I went back to see what AV had said about him. Will they work through it, sure... But it'll take work.

Not as absurd as you'd think. TK's last two season's his goal scoring totals were higher than Voracek's career high at the point he signed that contract. I would give you that Voracek was/is the superior player because of his vastly better playmaking ability, however that contract was 5 years ago, which might as well be an eternity in terms of the market. I'm not arguing that he's worth 8 million, but an agent would be silly if he didn't at least start high in hopes the final number would be like 5-6.
- 2sticks1puck

No, it's exactly as absurd as I think it is.

Sadly TK isn't impressing his new coach much. After reading Bill's comments I went back to see what AV had said about him. Will they work through it, sure... But it'll take work.
- FlyersGrace

Hard to impress the coach when you're not on the ice.

Sadly TK isn't impressing his new coach much. After reading Bill's comments I went back to see what AV had said about him. Will they work through it, sure... But it'll take work.
- FlyersGrace

If only we had Torts saying how disgusted he'd be if so and so wasn't at camp on time...shortly after Werenski signed

That's what guys don't get. It's just a piece of the pie of all the money being generated. Hockey players are a very limited group of individuals who dedicate their whole life to a craft and are insanely good at it. They deserve every penny. Nobody blows their mind when Tom Cruise (or insert favorite actor here) gets 25 million for a flick when the movie probably generates about 500m in income. It's just a cost of doing business.

I know people gave the Fortnite champ some grief for making all that money playing a video game. My response is good for him. If people are dumb enough to watch kids play video games and sponsors silly enough to sponsor it, then yes that kid deserves the millions he won.
- 2sticks1puck

Pretty much. And the window for a pro athlete in a contact sport is usually ridiculously small. They're all one bad hit or stray puck away from never being able to ply their trade again. They need to strike while the iron's hot.

That's fine. I think it's reasonable for players in their prime and producing at a high level to be highly paid. As long as the market compensates on the back end when they're past their prime and no longer producing at that level.
- MJL

That's the other shoe that needs to drop. Most vets will see less security, play on more year to year deals, at salaries commensurate with their real on-ice value. Which seems right.

That's the other shoe that needs to drop. Most vets will see less security, play on more year to year deals, at salaries commensurate with their real on-ice value. Which seems right.
- Tomahawk

It is right but that's not happening across the board.

No, it's exactly as absurd as I think it is.
- MJL

I'm just curious why you think it's absurd that his agent ask for this? If his hill is, he's never signing lower than 7-8 million, then ya I'm on your side. If your argument is he should never even started with an ask that high, I think it's a bit murkier.

I realize that center is a more valued position in the league, but when your big UFA signing has only eclipsed what you've posted in points the past couple seasons once in his career and has a cap number north of 7, then I don't blame the player's camp for starting that high.

I'm with you though that realistically, he's not getting anywhere close to that.

Now I’m wondering if the exact ask for term is 8 years. It would explain a lot. From the players side on 6 years, I wouldn’t think that the ask could be more than 6M AAV, and I would think the Flyers would be able to go up to 5M AAV on a 6 year deal. 1 mil apart just doesn’t seem too hard to make some kind of compromise. How far could they possibly be apart? However, if TK is looking at a very long deal, the ask and Flyers side could be too far apart to compromise without adjusting the term.

That's the other shoe that needs to drop. Most vets will see less security, play on more year to year deals, at salaries commensurate with their real on-ice value. Which seems right.
- Tomahawk

I'd argue it's already happening. I brought up Simmonds before, but on the eve of the season, there are several names that have yet signed a contract. I'm shocked no one has at least brought in Phaneuf or Boyle on a PTO yet.

It is right but that's not happening across the board.
- MJL

Some guys will still be with their teams forever (like Giroux), but GMs will need to be more selective about who they lock up. Won't be able to get away with the Loui Erikssons and the Brent Seabrooks anymore.

I'm just curious why you think it's absurd that his agent ask for this? If his hill is, he's never signing lower than 7-8 million, then ya I'm on your side. If your argument is he should never even started with an ask that high, I think it's a bit murkier.

I realize that center is a more valued position in the league, but when your big UFA signing has only eclipsed what you've posted in points the past couple seasons once in his career and has a cap number north of 7, then I don't blame the player's camp for starting that high.

I'm with you though that realistically, he's not getting anywhere close to that.
- 2sticks1puck

1 - FA vs RFA
2 - whole Center v wing
3 - he has not produced greatly away from the big guns
4 - Hayes is a responsible two way player, TK not so much, he tends to cheat
5 - just sign a damn bridge deal please

1 - FA vs RFA
2 - whole Center v wing
3 - he has not produced greatly away from the big guns
4 - Hayes is a responsible two way player, TK not so much, he tends to cheat
5 - just sign a damn bridge deal please
- ClaudeFather

agreed.