Sure, their results were low-end but the talent back there was apparent. Maybe top-10 was an overstatement, but Byfuglien, Trouba and Morrissey are all quality top pairing Dmen and most teams don't have 3 of those.

As for why, to fill out an NHL D corps using your enviable forward depth. There's an argument to be made against taking too much from an area of strength as it might remove the dimension that your team's identity is built on (see Hall trade) but, when the weakness is bad enough, I think that argument loses some footing.

But I guess this isn't as much of a concern for you given your high faith in your prospects to fill the void.
- MaximumBone

Like many I’m very concerned about this year but I do believe in the future and young D. I just feel very strongly that making a bad trade right now (Faulk or ristolainen) makes zero sense and doesn’t help enough this season to warrant that.

This doesnt really give you any leverage negotiating with other gms though and thats why offers are so low. Teams for the most part are set and dont have drama going on so for them to disrupt where they might be at would likely require a lower offer.
- Devilish4

Wait a month and any team that gets off to a slow start is absolutely in a different bargaining position and may also be feel the pressure to make a move

Example, Carolina has great D and are obviously trying to move Faulk now but if they average 1-2 goals per game to start the year are they more inclined to move Pesce or Hamilton???

I understand what you are saying but my point is more how severely over rated and not missed Myers and Chairot will be, and that these young guys are actually an improvement on those two.

Trouba and buff will obviously be big losses but with so many young great wingers, the Jets have options that dont require a impulse trade for Faulk or ristolainen that actually won’t help, it just provides two names people know

We should be looking at moving a young winger for a young D at the same stage.

With our depth up front and a good goalie, this can be handled. Is Maurice the coach to do that, that’s a bigger question
- Ross77

Oh, I'd absolutely aim higher than Faulk and Ristolainen; I only mentioned the latter because his team was one of the few with an excess of RD they might be willing to spare that would be at least a reasonable facsimile of a top-4 D. Under the right circumstances, I think Risto can be that. Your mileage on that claim may vary.

I just don't see another reasonable option available. I think David Savard and some of Columbus' youth+ could turn out well, but I can get it's not the sexy return you'd want from trading Laine. I know you seem to lean toward not making such a move, but who do you envision as a viable option in such a trade?

Wait a month and any team that gets off to a slow start is absolutely in a different bargaining position and may also be feel the pressure to make a move

Example, Carolina has great D and are obviously trying to move Faulk now but if they average 1-2 goals per game to start the year are they more inclined to move Pesce or Hamilton???
- Ross77

I If the jets are set on moving on from Laine then I wouldnt do it now. I would get him signed and put him in every situation to get those numbers back up and move one from him then for a player of his talent but with characteristics tbat are better suited for the jets. His value is to low to consider moving him I think.

Oh, I'd absolutely aim higher than Faulk and Ristolainen; I only mentioned the latter because his team was one of the few with an excess of RD they might be willing to spare that would be at least a reasonable facsimile of a top-4 D. Under the right circumstances, I think Risto can be that. Your mileage on that claim may vary.

I just don't see another reasonable option available. I think David Savard and some of Columbus' youth+ could turn out well, but I can get it's not the sexy return you'd want from trading Laine. I know you seem to lean toward not making such a move, but who do you envision as a viable option in such a trade?
- MaximumBone

In order of young wingers I’d trade first;
Appleton
Roslovic
Vesalainen
Connor
Ehlers
Laine

Can we acquire Honka for a 2nd rounder? Or Appleton and a 4th?

What’s the cost on Leddy or Hamonic? And I won’t move Ehlers, Connor or Laine for those guys just to be clear!!

I If the jets are set on moving on from Laine then I wouldnt do it now. I would get him signed and put him in every situation to get those numbers back up and move one from him then for a player of his talent but with characteristics tbat are better suited for the jets. His value is to low to consider moving him I think.
- Devilish4

I dont think the jets want to or will move Laine

In order of young wingers I’d trade first;
Appleton
Roslovic
Vesalainen
Connor
Ehlers
Laine

Can we acquire Honka for a 2nd rounder? Or Appleton and a 4th?

What’s the cost on Leddy or Hamonic? And I won’t move Ehlers, Connor or Laine for those guys just to be clear!!
- Ross77

Well, Honka should cost a whole lot less than that, but the rest is viable. Doesn't really fix the problem so much as it bandaids over it, though. But again, I guess that's because you're not as worried about next year because of the prospects.

If Byfuglien really doesn't want to play with Laine:

To Buffalo:

Byfuglien (to play RW again)

To WPG:

Risto + Sheary
- jcragcrumple

No.

To buffalo - Laine+2nd
To Winnipeg - Dahlin

Good luck with the sniper. He's useless.

No.

To buffalo - Laine+2nd
To Winnipeg - Dahlin

Good luck with the sniper. He's useless.
- bikeguy99

- jcragcrumple[/quote

Or maybe Dahlin, Cozens and Reinhart = Laine and prospect?

As I was saying - maybe - Dahlin, Reinhart and Cozens = Laine and prospect? One problem, Dahlin is a lefty, maybe play the right?

Do you think Morrissey gets the "A" tonight or do they wait until the regular season?

Or maybe Dahlin, Cozens and Reinhart = Laine and prospect?
- grahamzky

Thanks, I hate it

As I was saying - maybe - Dahlin, Reinhart and Cozens = Laine and prospect? One problem, Dahlin is a lefty, maybe play the right?

Do you think Morrissey gets the "A" tonight or do they wait until the regular season?
- grahamzky

Dahlin is about as untouchable as they come especially on a rookie deal

As I was saying - maybe - Dahlin, Reinhart and Cozens = Laine and prospect? One problem, Dahlin is a lefty, maybe play the right?

Do you think Morrissey gets the "A" tonight or do they wait until the regular season?
- grahamzky

Is this actually a serious thought?

What about Maurice? The guy seems incapable of winning in the playoffs. He is like AV in my mind but doubles down on offense instead of Defense (Av was a trap master in the PO's). Now that some of the bigger d are gone I think the Jets will get lit up.

I don't mean to troll, love the Jets...next to the Canucks - but I am surprised he seems so "safe"....thoughts?

Thanks, I hate it
- jcragcrumple

As much or more than we hate your offer of Risto (salary dump) and Sheary for Buff?

Is this actually a serious thought?
- jcragcrumple

As serious, or more, as one of your Sabre fan's offer of Risto, Oloffson (or however you spell it) and a 1st for Patrik.

Maybe there's a common ground? Got to give something up to get something back.

Not going to be a free-bee!

As serious, or more, as one of your Sabre fan's offer of Risto, Oloffson (or however you spell it) and a 1st for Patrik.

Maybe there's a common ground? Got to give something up to get something back.

Not going to be a free-bee!
- grahamzky

He's an Oilers fan

As much or more than we hate your offer of Risto (salary dump) and Sheary for Buff?
- grahamzky

No we hate it significantly more. Dahlin posted 6 less points as a rookie on a terrible team vs a 3rd year forward with a contract problem at best, personality problem at worst. Dahlin for Laine isn't even remotely close, let alone adding.

Gotta love the "Your proposal sucks, let me top it" approach. Works every time

Tony DeAngelo for a 2nd. Hes an RFA and still only 23 yr RHD

Laine and a 1st might get you Dahlin

In order of young wingers I’d trade first;
Appleton
Roslovic
Vesalainen
Connor
Ehlers
Laine

Can we acquire Honka for a 2nd rounder? Or Appleton and a 4th?

What’s the cost on Leddy or Hamonic? And I won’t move Ehlers, Connor or Laine for those guys just to be clear!!
- Ross77

Roslovic & a 2nd for Brodie. He's LS but plays his best on the right side. Reasonable salary, especially if you get rid of Buffs salary hit, leaves you guys lots of room. Brodie can play PP. Hamonic is well liked for his community charity work & I think Flames would like to get him to extend at a reasonable cost. But I would imagine Roslovic & a lottery protected first would get you Hamonic. You know Hammy would resign for reasonable to play in Winnipeg.

Laine is probably doing his happy dance. His equipment will most likely not be thrown into the shower now!

Buff clearly doesn't want to be part of another re-build, re-tool, whatever word you would like to use. His decision to leave and even consider retirement says an awful lot about this team.
- foxbat

Don’t worry, Cheveldayoff most likely has already drafted and developed all the replacements on the right side.

Lol

Roslovic & a 2nd for Brodie. He's LS but plays his best on the right side. Reasonable salary, especially if you get rid of Buffs salary hit, leaves you guys lots of room. Brodie can play PP. Hamonic is well liked for his community charity work & I think Flames would like to get him to extend at a reasonable cost. But I would imagine Roslovic & a lottery protected first would get you Hamonic. You know Hammy would resign for reasonable to play in Winnipeg.
- Kevin R

Brodie or Hamonic for an unprotected 1st would be my offer.