In isn't as bad as you would think in terms of dead money. You have Names and Strome coming off, our dead cap only goes up by 2 million since G's dead cap goes down. As long as the cap doesn't go up minimally like this past offseason, I think we should be fine.
Even if we did have to trade ADA because he scored 50 points and commanded a big contract, the return would be much higher than it would have been now. - 2sticks1puck
Exactly. It may even be possible to bring back CK20, too.
Next year's cap compliancy should be an adventure. - Tonybere
Kreider, Nam, Strome and Fast off the books, which is about $13.5 mil. G cap hit drop from $3.6 to $1.1 mil but Shattenkirk spikes from $1.48 to $6 mil. Wonder if we see a Staal buyout since one year is left, though that only saves $2.1 million. Better hope cap rises a bit.
Kreider, Nam, Strome and Fast off the books, which is about $13.5 mil. G cap hit drop from $3.6 to $1.1 mil but Shattenkirk spikes from $1.48 to $6 mil. Wonder if we see a Staal buyout since one year is left, though that only saves $2.1 million. Better hope cap rises a bit. - airjan23
Smaller cap hits come off, too; but they add up...Kegger, Boo, Belesky (completely). Might even be able to trade Smith with only a year left on his deal.
Smaller cap hits come off, too; but they add up...Kegger, Boo, Belesky (completely). Might even be able to trade Smith with only a year left on his deal. - mames11
Well, that's good. Because, personally I'm hoping we have to defer about $4M in bonuses this year!
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Sep 20 @ 11:29 AM ET
Smaller cap hits come off, too; but they add up...Kegger, Boo, Belesky (completely). Might even be able to trade Smith with only a year left on his deal. - mames11
I actually think we let Fast walk. He's been and still is a useful player, but almost 2 million on the 4th line isn't the best use of assets. We could easily let Kegger or Boo stick around for less or hope someone like Barron or Elmer takes the jump.
I actually think we let Fast walk. He's been and still is a useful player, but almost 2 million on the 4th line isn't the best use of assets. We could easily let Kegger or Boo stick around for less or hope someone like Barron or Elmer takes the jump. - 2sticks1puck
Totally see your point, but I disagree. Obviously, something has to give somewhere in terms of getting under the cap. But, if it is at all possible Quickie instantly gives us incredible depth having him down there. Those young, cheap contracts are fine and allow for flexibility, but they usually come with substantial deficiencies. He only represents 2.5% of the cap. A valuable 2.5%.
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Sep 20 @ 11:55 AM ET
Totally see your point, but I disagree. Obviously, something has to give somewhere in terms of getting under the cap. But, if it is at all possible Quickie instantly gives us incredible depth having him down there. Those young, cheap contracts are fine and allow for flexibility, but they usually come with substantial deficiencies. He only represents 2.5% of the cap. A valuable 2.5%. - Tonybere
Here's the problem with that too: every little bit is going to count. We really don't know what Fast wants, but I imagine he's going to want something with some term like 3-4 years. After the 2nd year of this hypothetical contract, we are going to have the holy trio all coming off their ELCS and would likely need the cap in a major way. Even if Fast plays on a 1-2 yr deal, we'd likely have to move on from him anyway at that time.
My point is no matter how you look at it, still probably a good idea to start grooming a younger cheaper option now, than to wait when you have to.
Here's the problem with that too: every little bit is going to count. We really don't know what Fast wants, but I imagine he's going to want something with some term like 3-4 years. After the 2nd year of this hypothetical contract, we are going to have the holy trio all coming off their ELCS and would likely need the cap in a major way. Even if Fast plays on a 1-2 yr deal, we'd likely have to move on from him anyway at that time.
My point is no matter how you look at it, still probably a good idea to start grooming a younger cheaper option now, than to wait when you have to. - 2sticks1puck
Don't forget...major cap relief coming after next season:
Hank: 8M+
Staal: 5M+
Smith: 4M+
Shatty dead cap hit 6M ~ 1.5 (?)
That gives over 21M in cap relief after next season. Tough to fvck that up.
This season for sure he will. For me it's not a sheltering issue, it's a usage issue. Having so many options can afford you to not play him on the power play and sort of keep him better rested. I would still see him playing at worst top 4 minutes. - 2sticks1puck
I agree with you but I think he is going to be run ragged. I hope he can take it. Hopefully everyone pans out and they can do a nice balanced workload.
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Sep 20 @ 12:07 PM ET
Don't forget...major cap relief coming after next season:
Hank: 8M+
Staal: 5M+
Smith: 4M+
Shatty dead cap hit 6M ~ 1.5 (?)
That gives over 21M in cap relief after next season. Tough to fvck that up. - mames11
That's alot of cap relief, but also don't forget if all of ours become what we think they will be, that the new contracts will eat up a significant portion of that.
For example, if Chytil breaks out this year, how much is he going to command? What about if ADA proves himself? What is Lemieux going to want? The rookies are the obvious targets, but these other pieces are going to want and get theirs too.
We will also I'm sure try to go get other pieces to put us over the top. I just don't think this 21M is going to go as far as everyone thinks it will.
I'm fairly sure you are right. But, this is the kind of thinking that should be toyed with as a new way of operating in the league today. Just because he's the #1, doesn't mean he has to play top minutes in every situation.
I think this is one of the best takes to come out of this board since poopting in a mailbag in an "emergency!" - Tonybere
It definitely makes sense. Just look at Erik Karlsson. The guy is fantastic but imagine if he wasn't so run down at the end of the year every year.
Here's the problem with that too: every little bit is going to count. We really don't know what Fast wants, but I imagine he's going to want something with some term like 3-4 years. After the 2nd year of this hypothetical contract, we are going to have the holy trio all coming off their ELCS and would likely need the cap in a major way. Even if Fast plays on a 1-2 yr deal, we'd likely have to move on from him anyway at that time.
My point is no matter how you look at it, still probably a good idea to start grooming a younger cheaper option now, than to wait when you have to. - 2sticks1puck
But Fast fills a specific role that while we hope Lemieux might be able to, I am unsure he will based on his skill set. I wouldn't overpay Fast but he is one of those core players on good teams that you need to win.
Kreider, Nam, Strome and Fast off the books, which is about $13.5 mil. G cap hit drop from $3.6 to $1.1 mil but Shattenkirk spikes from $1.48 to $6 mil. Wonder if we see a Staal buyout since one year is left, though that only saves $2.1 million. Better hope cap rises a bit. - airjan23
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Sep 20 @ 12:19 PM ET
But Fast fills a specific role that while we hope Lemieux might be able to, I am unsure he will based on his skill set. I wouldn't overpay Fast but he is one of those core players on good teams that you need to win. - airjan23
I don't doubt that, however I just don't see why when we are ready to contend in 2-3 years that you couldn't have developed a cheaper option by then. We have a decent amount of options coming through the system and that doesn't even account if by then guys like Robertson are pushing for a roster spot.
We know that Fast is at least going to get a slight raise from somebody. In no world would I want to pay 2 million for a 4th liner. As good as Dom Moore was for us, we were only paying him 1 million during our good years at a more important position.
