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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 20 @ 2:59 PM ET
The Flyers don't have an established RHD that could be the centerpiece of a deal for Laine. Myers is the closest, and maybe be one day, but he has very little experience.

Not happening. And that's a hard pass on either Sanheim or Provy for Laine.
BringNYIhome
New York Islanders
Location: Smithtown , NY
Joined: 04.10.2016

Sep 20 @ 3:21 PM ET
FlyerBuzz 🙄
goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Sep 20 @ 3:23 PM ET
Nah! Good goal scorer for sure but his "drought" to put in kindly, has to give some pause. As well as his comments made.
- MJL


People read too much into his comments.
On One hand they are telling him "you need to get better you need to be more consistent"
And two minutes later they tell him "And by the way next game you will be playing 3rd or 4th line
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Sep 20 @ 3:56 PM ET
People continue to under-value Laine. He has the potential to be a generational goal-scorer, and any trade package would need to reflect that

To PHI: Laine
To WPG: Sanheim, Patrick, 1st round pick

At minimum

- AxlRose91

Turnitaround
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 20 @ 3:56 PM ET
Rantanen should not settle for anything below $10 mil AVV if he signs a 7-8year contract. Marner and Boeser have set the market for high and low. Boeser's contract is $7.5 in the last year which guarantees he get that much as a QO or more if VAN wants to buy up UFA years.

Another way to look at it is in 4 year Nathan McK will have to be resigned. Based on current league trends he will look for roughly 12%-15% of whatever the cap is at that time. For argument sake lets assume that puts him in the $11 mil AAV to $15mil AAV range. There is no way Rantanen is going to accept that he could be making half ($8.25) of what Nate is making when he could be playing on the same line putting up almost similar numbers. for sure he will concede that he's not as good as NM but he is def not $5-7M aav worse than NM.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Sep 20 @ 3:59 PM ET
People continue to under-value Laine. He has the potential to be a generational goal-scorer, and any trade package would need to reflect that

To PHI: Laine
To WPG: Sanheim, Patrick, 1st round pick

At minimum

- AxlRose91

eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Sep 20 @ 4:00 PM ET
probably 20 players in the league who've had that term attached to them in some way. It's such a lazy word to use
- lonnyBohonos

Amazing how this generation has dozens of "once in a generation" talents
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Sep 20 @ 4:02 PM ET
Amazing how this generation has dozens of "once in a generation" talents
- eichiefs9

It’s overused and abused. Stupid how people think there are 20-30 generational players out there.

Crosby
Ovechkin
McDavid
Abdelkader (generationally terrible)

That’s it.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 20 @ 4:03 PM ET
This is a huge draft with as many as 7 or 8 elite type talents.

Hard to envisage Winnipeg trading Laine. But, if they did, they know they will only get a mid range Dman. So, the first round pick (or top prospect) would be the imperative for any deal.

Only a couple of teams have more than one elite D-man. Other than for Columbus. I just don't see any team having the nerve or depth to give up an elite DMan for an elite forward.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Sep 20 @ 4:04 PM ET
This is a huge draft with as many as 7 or 8 elite type talents.

Hard to envisage Winnipeg trading Laine. But, if they did, they know they will only get a mid range Dman. So, the first round pick (or top prospect) would be the imperative for any deal.

Only a couple of teams have more than one elite D-man. Other than for Columbus. I just don't see any team having the nerve or depth to give up an elite DMan for an elite forward.

- spatso

Probably 30 or so generational talents in this draft. Maybe even 184.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Sep 20 @ 4:06 PM ET
Laine to flyers for Myers and a 1st
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Sep 20 @ 4:09 PM ET
Laine to Canucks for Myers and a 1st
- Just5

Fixed
Turnitaround
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 20 @ 4:11 PM ET
Ask Kyle Dubas...Chia set a precedent when he traded Hall for a D-man. All other GM's must follow suite or lose their GM-Hood. Now before you point out that KD obtained better talent than Chia did consider this. There is *almost* no way Leafs can keep Barrie next year. So essentiall they traded Kadri, Rosen and another peice for Kerfott, 1 year of Barrie and hope that they make a run for a SC

So, Laine for anything more than Niskanen would get Chevy uninvited from this years GM Christmas party
Turnitaround
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 20 @ 4:13 PM ET
I'm also not being serious about ^. I feel i have to mention this before someone in the Peg pops an artery or something
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Sep 20 @ 4:16 PM ET
Laine to flyers for Myers and a 1st
- Just5

I think people expect a Phil Kessel like return on what Toronto gave up to get him.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Sep 20 @ 4:19 PM ET
I think people expect a Phil Kessel like return on what Toronto gave up to get him.
- Alexzanki


Which return?

What the Leafs fans said the return would be...Star roster player, major prospect and 2 1st round picks without retaining salary or the actual real-world return?

Edit: Nevermind you mean what Toronto gave up, not what they got.
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Sep 20 @ 4:23 PM ET
Which return?

What the Leafs fans said the return would be...Star roster player, major prospect and 2 1st round picks without retaining salary or the actual real-world return?

Edit: Nevermind you mean what Toronto gave up, not what they got.

- Glak18


Laine like Kessel (at the same age), both play the same position, game breaking player with a polarising attitude, 2 first rounders I would think is the precedent price.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 20 @ 4:25 PM ET
Laine like Kessel (at the same age), both play the same position, game breaking player with a polarising attitude, 2 first rounders I would think is the precedent price.
- Alexzanki


I think it was 2 1sts and a 2nd, but only because Burke had threatened Boston with an offer sheet. Otherwise, Boston may have let him hold out.
Turnitaround
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 20 @ 4:41 PM ET
2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder is a very fair return for a 22 year old elite sniper. Because the usual expectation is that those 1st are going to be well outside the top 10 in the draft. It was an overpayment only because it came from a Toronto team that was nowhere close to being ready to compete for a playoff spot. BB had grossly overestimated his team. The trade has become his legacy when the Sedins draft day trade should’ve been
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Sep 20 @ 4:43 PM ET
Laine like Kessel (at the same age), both play the same position, game breaking player with a polarising attitude, 2 first rounders I would think is the precedent price.
- Alexzanki


If I was the Flyers, factoring in the position they are in right now, 2 1st rounds would be very doable.

...BUT the Jets HAVE to take back salary for anything to work, at least 8 million combined. Laine isn't that good for 2 major low salary assets plus 8 million worth of roster.

It is very easy to figure out what package is needed for it to work for the Flyers.

1) Laine would be placed on the PP1 and in the top 6, that means either one of JvR or Voracek would have to be included. JvR is absolutely worthless if he is not on the main PP. Konecny could be added, but that value of the defenseman added now drops.

2) Jets would want a defenseman who can play the right side, not necessarily be a RH shot. Provorov (just signed) would be a non-starter. Niskanen (M-NTC) and Braun just traded for in the offseason would have a zero chance of being included. That leaves Ghost (played right side during his 65 point season), Sanheim (played right side), Hagg (played a lot of right side) and Myers (RH, but no NHL experience). Jets would want someone who can play now, not develop.

JvR/Voracek
Ghost/Sanheim/Hagg

Now if a (+) or (++) is attached then the Flyers walk away faster than a fat guy at a veggie buffet.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 20 @ 4:49 PM ET
The Flyers don't have an established RHD that could be the centerpiece of a deal for Laine. Myers is the closest, and maybe be one day, but he has very little experience.

Not happening. And that's a hard pass on either Sanheim or Provy for Laine.

- jmatchett383


Yea but the RH D doesnt have to be the centerpiece. Myers while not at the level to be a center piece is still a worthy piece. Voracek + Myers would be a good starting point.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Sep 20 @ 4:59 PM ET
When you look at all the factors, assets they would have to trade, cap space required to sign a player who is currently without a contract and Laine's disappearing act last season, Fletcher should pass on Laine.
- MJL

Disappearing act.... and still scored over 30 goals. That’s why you’re a tart. If Laine is offered you take the deal. This team has no true snipers.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Sep 20 @ 5:01 PM ET
Ghost and a higher prospect like Ratcliffe will get you Laine.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Sep 20 @ 5:03 PM ET
Ghost and a higher prospect like Ratcliffe will get you Laine.
- SMS4016


Does this mean Laine is willing to sign for 5m per?
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Sep 20 @ 5:39 PM ET
People continue to under-value Laine. He has the potential to be a generational goal-scorer, and any trade package would need to reflect that

To PHI: Laine
To WPG: Sanheim, Patrick, 1st round pick

At minimum

- AxlRose91



How does this make the Flyers better?

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