Wow Jarry
- Thorny87

Other than his failure to identify Jack Johnson as a scoring threat, Jarry's been good

Cool, diagnose some mystery skin ailment
- Hockey66

, Hawks and Leafs are more clever in that area than Pens.

Other than his failure to identify Jack Johnson as a scoring threat, Jarry's been good
- Tojo.

🤣

They would be dumb not to. Riikola looks good enough, IMO.
- Hockey66

I think everyone here is willing to give Riikola a chance, send down JJ, and keep looking for a passable LHD. Just not sure the Pens are.

I think everyone here is willing to give Riikola a chance, send down JJ, and keep looking for a passable LHD. Just not sure the Pens are.
- Tojo.

I don't think the Pens have the same confidence they once did in JJ.

Weeak

It’s never a mystery what Rust is gonna do.

He is truly just a garbage hockey player. With the puck, without the puck, it doesn't matter - it looks as though his brain just doesn't compute fast enough or at all in some cases.

If they don't send him down, that's on Sully and JR. The JJ experiment should be officially over if they consider themselves Cup contenders. He doesn't even provide offense to help offset how terrible at defense he is. No excuses anymore.
- Hockey66

Hahaha

I know man. He's brutal.

I don't think the Pens have the same confidence they once did in JJ.
- Rinosaur

I have that impression as well...maybe it's wishful thinking ...

Pens looked pretty good in that 3rd I thought. I've seen a full game (1st vs Jackets) and that 3rd and OT just now and to me they are looking pretty damn fast in those times.

EDIT: and by fast I don't just mean skating...as a team they're moving the pick swiftly and effectively.

Pens looked pretty good in that 3rd I thought. I've seen a full game (1st vs Jackets) and that 3rd and OT just now and to me they are looking pretty damn fast in those times.
- MattStrat

It’s been the one constant. The have some speed for sure.

Radio side said it's probably the big cutdown day tomorrow with mostly just regulars sticking around and getting most of the ice time in the last 2 games. Who would you still want to see?

I'd keep Lafferty, Bjorkvist, Marino, and maybe POJ around. Wouldn't mind Poulin or Legare, but they've probably proven as much as they can.

And I want at least one game of Riikola-Gudbranson

I don't think the Pens have the same confidence they once did in JJ.
- Rinosaur

Sullivan scratched him for the 1st game of the playoffs after playing 82 regular season games.....Then they tried to trade him in the summer. I'd say your spot on. I fear they're going to keep running him out there 'cause he's "a proud vet" and the GM gave him that asinine contract.

Sullivan scratched him for the 1st game of the playoffs after playing 82 regular season games.....Then they tried to trade him in the summer. I'd say your spot on. I fear they're going to keep running him out there 'cause he's "a proud vet" and the GM gave him that asinine contract.
- madmike71

They were in a tough spot the moment they signed that abortion of a contract and now they're in a lose/lose situation in trying to move him. If you don't dress him you're lowering his value each game he doesn't play, and his value was clearly rock-bottom as it is. If you do dress him you're hurting the team's chances of winning.

I remember JR was against retaining salary which severely hurts his chances of moving him. They could absolutely find a buyer if they retained at least $1M.

Other than his failure to identify Jack Johnson as a scoring threat, Jarry's been good
- Tojo.

Ahahah
Somebody said Mantha pushed his stick towards the goalie. Is it true? But anyway he should’ve shot this puck towards the board QUICK.

I don't think the Pens have the same confidence they once did in JJ.
- Rinosaur

Yep. It’s pretty clear by his usage in this preseason.

Its the league minimum $700,000 plus $375,000 = $1,075,000, therefore he would account for $2.175M: http://www.colliganhockey...do-buried-contracts-work/
- VeryModernMan

Thanks man. So what you’re saying is that we could send JJ to the AHL and bring a guy up to $1,075,000 to replace him in the roster (hypothetically considering we have 0 cap space right now)? Cool. JR Will just sign Phaneuf with this money lol

They were in a tough spot the moment they signed that abortion of a contract and now they're in a lose/lose situation in trying to move him. If you don't dress him you're lowering his value each game he doesn't play, and his value was clearly rock-bottom as it is. If you do dress him you're hurting the team's chances of winning.

I remember JR was against retaining salary which severely hurts his chances of moving him. They could absolutely find a buyer if they retained at least $1M.
- Rinosaur

I would rather attach a 1st and not retain any money. I think there are some teams, or at least a team, that would do that.

Ahahah
Somebody said Mantha pushed his stick towards the goalie. Is it true? But anyway he should’ve shot this puck towards the board QUICK.
- Barnaby36

Yes, both points are true, but JJ doesn't do anything quick, therein lies the problem.

@Barnaby36: You're math is correct, dumping JJ would simply give us $1.075M more in cap.

As a sidenote: Zucker (MIN) is the German word for sugar, and as we would have added JJ in that package as well, our big (ex-)buddy Phil!! made sure, that the sugar isn't passed to us in a double sense and way.

I would rather attach a 1st and not retain any money. I think there are some teams, or at least a team, that would do that.
- Hockey66

I honestly don't think that would do it. I haven't heard anything in regards to how deep the next draft is, but I don't know that teams would keep that hit for four years. $2Mish? I could see that.

I honestly don't think that would do it. I haven't heard anything in regards to how deep the next draft is, but I don't know that teams would keep that hit for four years. $2Mish? I could see that.
- Rinosaur

The answer was buying him out. Very modest hit for this season and the two after that. Basically the remainder of the window was manageable. Didn't need to lose prospects or high picks. Just admit failure and eat that bitter pill.....and don't do something that stupid again.

The answer was buying him out. Very modest hit for this season and the two after that. Basically the remainder of the window was manageable. Didn't need to lose prospects or high picks. Just admit failure and eat that bitter pill.....and don't do something that stupid again.
- madmike71

We all agreed the term of JJ’s contract was terrible the moment he signed it. I could’ve lived with a 2 year prove me deal but not a 5 year deal the way it was given. This coming from someone who supported the signing of the player but NOT the term.

I honestly don't think that would do it. I haven't heard anything in regards to how deep the next draft is, but I don't know that teams would keep that hit for four years. $2Mish? I could see that.
- Rinosaur

A rebuilding team can buy him out next offseason and they won't even notice it and would have an extra 1st rounder for their trouble. I'd be willing to bet there would be 3-4 teams that would do this. JR and the Pens won't, though.

Another option would be to take back a similar salaried but serviceable LD (if Riikola is not ready), or add a guy like ZAR if that player is more expensive, and then add a draft pick(s) as a sweetener if needed.

The alternative is to send JJ to the minors and have him cost ~$2.75M against the cap to not play.