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- jochfr

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- Chris16

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diYAc7gB-0A

- jcragcrumple

this is (frank)ing incredible

I understand that, but I also think the league caught lightning in a bottle with Vegas being so good so fast. I'm not sure you can expect the same level out of Seattle, though it still should be good.
- buffalofan19

Vegas was a crap shoot that probly needed the team to be good to catch on. If Seattle is actually a good hockey market like they are saying. They won’t need lightening in a bottle.

Also the 500 mill expansion fee is automatic profits for each team. (500 I think is correct. Correct me if I am wrong)

seattle supersonics? has there been any thoughts on what they are leaning towards for name
- SabresFaninIndiana

Known as the Emerald city.
But perhaps something to do with their abundance of the Great Blue Heron.
🤷‍♂️

Marcel Louis-Jacques
@Marcel_LJ
Breaking: Bills DT Harrison Phillips has a torn ACL and is out for the season https://es.pn/2mF4ZeJ


First major injury for the Bills
- Stripes77

While it sucks he’s hurt. The bills have good DT depth. One of the bills most underrated moves was claiming Jordan Phillips. That dude is good

Vegas was a crap shoot that probly needed the team to be good to catch on. If Seattle is actually a good hockey market like they are saying. They won’t need lightening in a bottle.

Also the 500 mill expansion fee is automatic profits for each team. (500 I think is correct. Correct me if I am wrong)
- Sabretooth9

Vegas paid 500M

Seattle is paying 650M

You’re right, but it’s why the Rangers never really have to rebuild.

It’s why Toronto can do it in one year because they get a superstar to play for them In UFA

It’s why Tampa/Florida can sign every RFA to absurdly low cap hits because of tax reasons.
- OneKaneOneCup

I don't think Point's 3 year deal is absurdly low, I think it's pretty high. It's $2M and 1.7% of the cap higher than Kucherov's bridge deal. CapFriendly says they have no comps for it.

Brayden Point #TBL
3 years x $6.75M

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diYAc7gB-0A
- BeadyEyedDouche

Iġbedha, Beady

Vegas was a crap shoot that probly needed the team to be good to catch on. If Seattle is actually a good hockey market like they are saying. They won’t need lightening in a bottle.

Also the 500 mill expansion fee is automatic profits for each team. (500 I think is correct. Correct me if I am wrong)
- Sabretooth9

Vegas not having any pro sports teams helped immeasurably as well. Seattle has the MLB and NFL already. It's going to be tougher to eat into that.

Edit: Hatty

My atmosphere hurts

I think a better move than Seattle would be to mirror the Vegas move - Try a city without a major professional team and establish a new market.

They did it with Columbus, Nashville (The NFL's Oilers had only just moved there themselves), Ottawa, San Jose... And the other teams were mostly put into larger markets or proven markets who's team had previously relocated under dubious circumstances...

I can understand trying Atlanta for a 2nd time. It's a huge city, but it's a logistical nightmare and the team and arena should have been located in Cumberland, GA, which is between two huge suburbs, one of 60k (Marietta) and the other 100k (Sandy Springs), as well as being over 100k itself and only being about 10 miles northwest of Atlanta. It would have been a much better decision.

As far as relocation goes, that's on the owner group buying the team, so the NHL bends over for $$$. Why they let a small market team like Hartford relocate instead of trying to save it, to a small market town where it also struggles with attendance, is beyond me. Then, up and move a Canadian team in Winnipeg into the American Southwest... Only to move your new Atlanta franchise up to Winnipeg...

Think outside the box, here. Tell me that a team wouldn't be a huge hit in Anchorage - There's literally NOTHING up there, and it's a city of 300,000. There's a great Modest Mouse lyric that applies here:

You got a job up in Alaska
It's easy to save what the cannery pays
Cause there ain't no way to spend it
On the arctic blast

An NHL team would energize that city much like it did in Columbus. This excerpt, from Wikipedia:

Anchorage has no professional sports teams. The most recent to call the city home was the Alaska Aces of the ECHL. The Aces were very successful during their time in Anchorage, claiming three league titles, four conference championships, and eight division championship during their 29-year history (1989–2017). The Aces affiliated with various National Hockey League teams during this time, including the Calgary Flames, Minnesota Wild, and Vancouver Canucks. Following the 2016–17 season, the team ceased operations and were sold to a group in Portland, Maine, where they became the Maine Mariners in the 2018–19 season.

It's not like it's that far removed from friggin' Edmonton in terms of climate and undesirability.

I know it would NEVER happen, but tapping into desperate markets could be a gold mine for the NHL. Instead, they kind of flounder as the younger brother in the "Big 4" major professional sports leagues in North America.

I think a better move than Seattle would be to mirror the Vegas move - Try a city without a major professional team and establish a new market.

They did it with Columbus, Nashville (The NFL's Oilers had only just moved there themselves), Ottawa, San Jose... And the other teams were mostly put into larger markets or proven markets who's team had previously relocated under dubious circumstances...

I can understand trying Atlanta for a 2nd time. It's a huge city, but it's a logistical nightmare and the team and arena should have been located in Cumberland, GA, which is between two huge suburbs, one of 60k (Marietta) and the other 100k (Sandy Springs), as well as being over 100k itself and only being about 10 miles northwest of Atlanta. It would have been a much better decision.

As far as relocation goes, that's on the owner group buying the team, so the NHL bends over for $$$. Why they let a small market team like Hartford relocate instead of trying to save it, to a small market town where it also struggles with attendance, is beyond me. Then, up and move a Canadian team in Winnipeg into the American Southwest... Only to move your new Atlanta franchise up to Winnipeg...

Think outside the box, here. Tell me that a team wouldn't be a huge hit in Anchorage - There's literally NOTHING up there, and it's a city of 300,000. There's a great Modest Mouse lyric that applies here:



An NHL team would energize that city much like it did in Columbus. This excerpt, from Wikipedia:



It's not like it's that far removed from friggin' Edmonton in terms of climate and undesirability.

I know it would NEVER happen, but tapping into desperate markets could be a gold mine for the NHL. Instead, they kind of flounder as the younger brother in the "Big 4" major professional sports leagues in North America.
- BeadyEyedDouche

The 49'ers, Giants, A's, Raiders, and Warriors are all very close, ~40 miles, but the Bay Area has an insane amount of people. The fifth largest after NY, LA, Chicago, and Washington.

The 49'ers, Giants, A's, Raiders, and Warriors are all very close, ~40 miles, but the Bay Area has an insane amount of people. The fifth largest after NY, LA, Chicago, and Washington.
- Wetbandit1

Right, right, San Jose falls in the middle there, new demographic, but also large/dense populated area.

I think a better move than Seattle would be to mirror the Vegas move - Try a city without a major professional team and establish a new market.

They did it with Columbus, Nashville (The NFL's Oilers had only just moved there themselves), Ottawa, San Jose... And the other teams were mostly put into larger markets or proven markets who's team had previously relocated under dubious circumstances...

I can understand trying Atlanta for a 2nd time. It's a huge city, but it's a logistical nightmare and the team and arena should have been located in Cumberland, GA, which is between two huge suburbs, one of 60k (Marietta) and the other 100k (Sandy Springs), as well as being over 100k itself and only being about 10 miles northwest of Atlanta. It would have been a much better decision.

As far as relocation goes, that's on the owner group buying the team, so the NHL bends over for $$$. Why they let a small market team like Hartford relocate instead of trying to save it, to a small market town where it also struggles with attendance, is beyond me. Then, up and move a Canadian team in Winnipeg into the American Southwest... Only to move your new Atlanta franchise up to Winnipeg...

Think outside the box, here. Tell me that a team wouldn't be a huge hit in Anchorage - There's literally NOTHING up there, and it's a city of 300,000. There's a great Modest Mouse lyric that applies here:



An NHL team would energize that city much like it did in Columbus. This excerpt, from Wikipedia:



It's not like it's that far removed from friggin' Edmonton in terms of climate and undesirability.

I know it would NEVER happen, but tapping into desperate markets could be a gold mine for the NHL. Instead, they kind of flounder as the younger brother in the "Big 4" major professional sports leagues in North America.
- BeadyEyedDouche

It would be interesting, and you're probably right that they would have a fierce following, but there's not much upside in a market that small. If you're going for an untapped metropolitan market with a large population, go for Mexico City

20 million vs. 300k

I think a better move than Seattle would be to mirror the Vegas move - Try a city without a major professional team and establish a new market.

They did it with Columbus, Nashville (The NFL's Oilers had only just moved there themselves), Ottawa, San Jose... And the other teams were mostly put into larger markets or proven markets who's team had previously relocated under dubious circumstances...

I can understand trying Atlanta for a 2nd time. It's a huge city, but it's a logistical nightmare and the team and arena should have been located in Cumberland, GA, which is between two huge suburbs, one of 60k (Marietta) and the other 100k (Sandy Springs), as well as being over 100k itself and only being about 10 miles northwest of Atlanta. It would have been a much better decision.

As far as relocation goes, that's on the owner group buying the team, so the NHL bends over for $$$. Why they let a small market team like Hartford relocate instead of trying to save it, to a small market town where it also struggles with attendance, is beyond me. Then, up and move a Canadian team in Winnipeg into the American Southwest... Only to move your new Atlanta franchise up to Winnipeg...

Think outside the box, here. Tell me that a team wouldn't be a huge hit in Anchorage - There's literally NOTHING up there, and it's a city of 300,000. There's a great Modest Mouse lyric that applies here:



An NHL team would energize that city much like it did in Columbus. This excerpt, from Wikipedia:



It's not like it's that far removed from friggin' Edmonton in terms of climate and undesirability.

I know it would NEVER happen, but tapping into desperate markets could be a gold mine for the NHL. Instead, they kind of flounder as the younger brother in the "Big 4" major professional sports leagues in North America.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Population is just one small part of the picture for what equals success. The city also has to have corporations and people with money. Also having neighboring cities to draw from is helpful. I don’t know exactly the economics of Alaska but I kind of doubt they have much local corporate money unless some energy companies have headquarters there or something.

Success with an echl team does not mean jack compared to an nhl game. Fort Wayne where I live has one of the top attended ec teams league wide. But I gaurentee when the tickets go from $20 - $100 they will stop showing up. I went to a game last year with my wife and two kids for $50

It would be interesting, and you're probably right that they would have a fierce following, but there's not much upside in a market that small. If you're going for an untapped metropolitan market with a large population, go for Mexico City

20 million vs. 300k
- jcragcrumple

One is in the Arctic.

One is Sub-Tropical.

One is part of the USA and has a huge hockey following.

One is Mexico and has a huge futbol following.

You cannot be serious.

Making a megaplex arena in Anchorage would actually help to get them that Winter Olympic bid they've always been trying to get, too. Mexico City is literally built on a swamp.

Where's the upside in Buffalo at this point? Seriously? Other than a 2nd home game for Toronto 3 times a year. If we weren't a peace bridge away, it would be nothing to the NHL.

The upside in Arizona? Seriously. I can't find one. Florida Panthers exist because of corporate packages. 90% empty arena 39 games per season. Is there an upside in Carolina or Ottawa at this point?

The biggest issue with Anchorage isn't economic upside, it's travel time and logistics. But that can be worked around. Edmonton is basically tundra as it is and they have no issues. Plus, Anchorage has mild winters because of warm Pacific water and winds.

It would be interesting, and you're probably right that they would have a fierce following, but there's not much upside in a market that small. If you're going for an untapped metropolitan market with a large population, go for Mexico City

20 million vs. 300k
- jcragcrumple

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Austin Texas. 1.5 mil or so not sure they could try to build off of Dallas success in Texas

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Austin Texas. 1.5 mil or so not sure they could try to build off of Dallas success in Texas
- IndianaSabresFan

Austin is a good one. I was going to say Houston, but Beady was talking about markets with no pro teams. But Mexico city, aside from the abductions and bribes that would have to be paid, I bet theyd get 20k lucha libre mask wearing screaming fans in there every night. It would be wild

Population is just one small part of the picture for what equals success. The city also has to have corporations and people with money. Also having neighboring cities to draw from is helpful. I don’t know exactly the economics of Alaska but I kind of doubt they have much local corporate money unless some energy companies have headquarters there or something.

Success with an echl team does not mean jack compared to an nhl game. Fort Wayne where I live has one of the top attended ec teams league wide. But I gaurentee when the tickets go from $20 - $100 they will stop showing up. I went to a game last year with my wife and two kids for $50
- IndianaSabresFan

Anchorage is 300,000. 50,000 more than Buffalo. A lot of small towns with rabid hockey fans. Ever see a movie called Mystery, Alaska? They've put in numerous bids for the Winter Olympics, barely missing out as it is. Tons of hotels and tourism, an Air Force base of over 5,000 troops. Again, from Wiki:

Anchorage's largest economic sectors include transportation, military, municipal, state and federal government, tourism, corporate headquarters (including regional headquarters for multinational corporations) and resource extraction. Large portions of the local economy depend on Anchorage's geographical location and surrounding natural resources. Anchorage's economy traditionally has seen steady growth, though not quite as rapid as many places in the lower 48 states. With the notable exception of a real estate-related crash in the mid-to-late 1980s, which saw the failure of numerous financial institutions, it does not experience as much pain during economic downturns.

All you had to do was look. They have tons of corporate money. Anchorage is a very strange place. It's wealthy but isolated.

You / 📦

Austin Texas. 1.5 mil or so not sure they could try to build off of Dallas success in Texas
- IndianaSabresFan

Houston has a huge hockey fanbase and Thurman Thomas was trying to get an expansion team down there at one point. No joke. That Thurman Thomas.

Austin is a good one. I was going to say Houston, but Beady was talking about markets with no pro teams. But Mexico city, aside from the abductions and bribes that would have to be paid, I bet theyd get 20k lucha libre mask wearing screaming fans in there every night. It would be wild
- jcragcrumple

The Mexico City Lucha is an amazing team name, not gonna lie.

Anchorage is 300,000. 50,000 more than Buffalo. A lot of small towns with rabid hockey fans. Ever see a movie called Mystery, Alaska? They've put in numerous bids for the Winter Olympics, barely missing out as it is. Tons of hotels and tourism, an Air Force base of over 5,000 troops. Again, from Wiki:


All you had to do was look. They have tons of corporate money. Anchorage is a very strange place. It's wealthy but isolated.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Buffalo has less population than anchorage. But compare Erie county to whatever county anchorage is in. Then throw in Rochester and Canadians that can drive in less than an hour. The fact that they have the corporate money could be enough to make up for that though. But as you stated they are isolated. It’s a. Interesting thought

Houston has a huge hockey fanbase and Thurman Thomas was trying to get an expansion team down there at one point. No joke. That Thurman Thomas.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I thought Houston too. But since you said markets with no pro sports I picked the slightly smaller Austin. Good on Thurman. If Texas is getting that big hockey following they need to build off of that.