What I'm most excited for is the long, written out rationale to keep the Stewart signing in "context". Oh, you mean a professional organization has a rationale for how they do things badly? Bad decision making is bad.
- StepfordSam

I sure hope we're not stuck with another GM and coach who don't know what they're doing.

Well, still way different than "exposing his genitals" which was what was said. Gotta admit that is a huge leap.
- MBFlyerfan

True. But wouldn't it make more sense to rip the op who incorrectly stated that as opposed to the person who quoted the op?

And yet they've all fallen victim to the same bad groupthink that a player like Chris Stewart deserves a spot on an NHL roster.
- StepfordSam

What you fail to accept is most teams in the NHL employ the same strategies to bring in veteran players for depth every single year. I know it feels like it's only the Flyers and the grass is greener on the other side, but it's the same field with the same grass.

I was curious about this myself. And also enjoying it because I hate the Leafs.
- MBFlyerfan

Well they could (and IMO should) waive Ceci and bring up one of Sandin or Liljergen, but they probably won't.

And yet they've all fallen victim to the same bad groupthink that a player like Chris Stewart deserves a spot on an NHL roster.
- StepfordSam

Wait, Stewart made the roster!? When did he sign?

I'm still not getting this. They're currently at $95.54M with a 24-man roster (not including Hyman, who is on regular IR). If they use all of the LTIR for Horton and Clarkson ($10.55M), that gets them to $84.99M, which is still $3.49M over the cap. I'm sure I'm missing something, but how are they going to shed that money while keeping a 23-man roster (currently 3 goalies on the roster)?
- jmatchett383

I hope I don't get in trouble for laying out the facts. They're going to waive and or demote the players that are eligible and place other players on LTIR. They don't have to keep a 23 man roster.

True. But wouldn't it make more sense to rip the op who incorrectly stated that as opposed to the person who quoted the op?
- jmatchett383

What you're not getting is that nobody was ripped in my first reply to him. It's obvious who moves the conversation towards that tone.

One likes to bare his ass, one likes to grab ass. It's a perfect match.

Edit: I do not know if Matthew's bare cheeks were visible, it was probably just his underwear being visible with his pants lowered. I don't want to get ripped for commenting without "learning the facts."
- jmatchett383

I hope I don't get in trouble for laying out the facts. They're going to waive and or demote the players that are eligible and place other players on LTIR. They don't have to keep a 23 man roster.
- MJL

I understand that. But I can't make a 21-skater/2-goaltender roster work (including the $10.55M LTIR) without taking at least one big-ticket player (a player making at least $3M) off of the roster and replacing them with a young player. And yes, they could go with a 20-22 man roster as well, but they'd still have to risk some players to waivers that they'd likely rather not.

So yes, it can be done, but it's not optimal.

What you're not getting is that nobody was ripped in my first reply to him. It's obvious who moves the conversation towards that tone.
- MJL

Sure. You felt the need to chastize him for not "learning the facts" (when he wasn't even the op) but I was the one who started it...makes sense.

Spin away

What you fail to accept is most teams in the NHL employ the same strategies to bring in veteran players for depth every single year. I know it feels like it's only the Flyers and the grass is greener on the other side, but it's the same field with the same grass.
- Glak18

Correct. As has been stated before. There's no reason for a player like Aube-Kubel to stay with the team as the 13th forward if he's not going to play regularly. Or any other young player. They also have a better idea if Pitlick is going to be ready. Best to get certain players to the AHL camp so they can start practicing. Stewart as the 13th forward, I can deal with. As a regular in the lineup, no thanks.

I understand that. But I can't make a 21-skater/2-goaltender roster work (including the $10.55M LTIR) without taking at least one big-ticket player (a player making at least $3M) off of the roster and replacing them with a young player. And yes, they could go with a 20-22 man roster as well, but they'd still have to risk some players to waivers that they'd likely rather not.

So yes, it can be done, but it's not optimal.
- jmatchett383

Did you place Hyman and Dermott on LTIR?

What you fail to accept is most teams in the NHL employ the same strategies to bring in veteran players for depth every single year. I know it feels like it's only the Flyers and the grass is greener on the other side, but it's the same field with the same grass.
- Glak18

But in this case, said player was out of the league entirely last year. He isn't here on merit.

Sure. You felt the need to chastize him for not "learning the facts" (when he wasn't even the op) but I was the one who started it...makes sense.

Spin away
- jmatchett383

Incorrect. I asked the simple question of why not learn the facts before determining if a suspension is warranted. You can spin it any way you want. That's the facts.

But in this case, said player was out of the league entirely last year. He isn't here on merit.
- StepfordSam

Last year has nothing to do with it.

Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are lame
Facts don't come with points of view
Facts don't do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of men

I'm still waiting
I-I-I'm still waiting
I'm still waiting
- Talking Heads

Did you place Hyman and Dermott on LTIR?
- MJL

I was under the impression that both of them were on regular IR, not LTIR. I may have been misinformed.

However if that is the case, then unlike Clarkson and Horton, both should return at some point this season at which point their cap hits will have to be accounted for (but not for opening night).

Incorrect. I asked the simple question of why not learn the facts before determining if a suspension is warranted. You can spin it any way you want. That's the facts.
- MJL

Well from your tone (which can be hard to get from the internet) it seemed like more of a rip that simply asking an honest question..

But still, why ask him as opposed to the op who was the person who originally stated the incorrect information? That's what I was not understanding.

I was under the impression that both of them were on regular IR, not LTIR. I may have been misinformed.

However if that is the case, then unlike Clarkson and Horton, both should return at some point this season at which point their cap hits will have to be accounted for (but not for opening night).
- jmatchett383

It doesn't matter what they're on now. You asked how the Leafs can get cap compliant. Why can't they change that? Actually all players cap hits on LTIR have to be accounted for but yes, they will have to make other moves to bring those players off of LTIR when they're ready to return.

Well from your tone (which can be hard to get from the internet) it seemed like more of a rip that simply asking an honest question..

But still, why ask him as opposed to the op who was the person who originally stated the incorrect information? That's what I was not understanding.
- jmatchett383

He replied to the poster who said that Matthews exposed his genitalia with

"In all seriousness thats pretty (frank)ed up and I imagine the league is going to hand him a suspension of some sort."

This indicates he is in agreement. There was nothing wrong with my response to him and both you and him are wrong for criticizing me for it.

It doesn't matter what they're on now. You asked how the Leafs can get cap compliant. Why can't they change that? Actually all players cap hits on LTIR have to be accounted for but yes, they will have to make other moves to bring those players off of LTIR when they're ready to return.
- MJL

It does matter whether they're on LTIR or regular IR now as there is no cap savings (that I know of) for regular IR, you simply gain a roster space but still are charged the cap hit. But if Hyman and Dermott are both on LTIR, it does make opening night more manageable.

He replied to the poster who said that Matthews exposed his genitalia with

"In all seriousness thats pretty (frank)ed up and I imagine the league is going to hand him a suspension of some sort."

This indicates he is in agreement. There was nothing wrong with my response to him and both you and him are wrong for criticizing me for it.
- MJL

Fine, I apologize.

Please answer, if you would, why you didn't feel the need to also respond to the person who originally posted the incorrect information, as they seem just as (or more) at fault for stating it to begin with. That is the part that I am not currently understanding.

Correct. As has been stated before. There's no reason for a player like Aube-Kubel to stay with the team as the 13th forward if he's not going to play regularly. Or any other young player. They also have a better idea if Pitlick is going to be ready. Best to get certain players to the AHL camp so they can start practicing. Stewart as the 13th forward, I can deal with. As a regular in the lineup, no thanks.
- MJL

Stewart as a 14th forward I could possibly deal with.

But the 13th forward is going to see plenty of action with injuries and fluctuating form. Unless they waive/trade Hagg or Morin, they can only carry 13 forwards. And one them is presumably going to be the very brittle Pitlick.

Stewart as a 14th forward I could possibly deal with.

But the 13th forward is going to see plenty of action with injuries and fluctuating form. Unless they waive/trade Hagg or Morin, they can only carry 13 forwards. And one them is presumably going to be the very brittle Pitlick.
- Feanor

But as a 13th forward, he would only be pressed into service if there was an injury to a forward and there was no time to recall a player before the next game.

I still hope he doesn't make the roster, but I don't think the 13F spot will make him play in a ton of games.

But as a 13th forward, he would only be pressed into service if there was an injury to a forward and there was no time to recall a player before the next game.

I still hope he doesn't make the roster, but I don't think the 13F spot will make him play in a ton of games.
- jmatchett383

What is the lineup with no Patrick but with Pitlick? with extras.