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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 27 @ 4:06 PM ET
Or when we finished 13th overall and picked #2?
- jmatchett383

and got a guy that's always injured? we would have been better without winning that
acd513
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 06.23.2013

Sep 27 @ 4:32 PM ET
Who would you have chosen over O'Brien for example?

There is not one player chosen after him who has played in the NHL except Isac Lundestrom (15 games) so its all hindsight.

The other part is what proven assets? It takes two teams to tango and saying he should have traded pick for proven assets ignores that fact.

Full disclosure I wasn't and still am not all that enamored with the O'Brien pick. But calling him a bust is silly.

- MBFlyerfan


Maybe trade the pick for an NHL ready player?
acd513
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 06.23.2013

Sep 27 @ 4:34 PM ET
Basically ACD (Im a Collab-Telecom engineer by trade so approve of that name) is complaining that the Flyers drafted players who are doing what they are supposed to for where they are drafted and deserve no credit for that.

Everything is terrible.

- opeth_pa


He hoarded his draft picks too such an extent that a team which needed immediate help floundered. Attendance dropped and valuable years were waste of the franchise captains career.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Sep 27 @ 5:08 PM ET
The new edition of Broadcasters Roundtable -- with Tim Saunders, Jim Jackson, Chris Therien and myself -- is now available on Flyers Radio 24/7 or on the new Flyers Podcast Central site below. We recorded this one earlier today.


https://tunein.com/podcas...252411/?topicId=133810848
BenderRodriguez
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Norristown, PA
Joined: 01.19.2011

Sep 27 @ 5:09 PM ET
Maybe trade the pick for an NHL ready player?
- acd513


Maybe that was explored, but they didn't get fair value... Nah, Hexy was terrible.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 27 @ 5:32 PM ET
Maybe that was explored, but they didn't get fair value... Nah, Hexy was terrible.
- BenderRodriguez

well he was fired
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 27 @ 5:36 PM ET
Mods, why is this alt allowed? He got a lifetime ban on his main for threatening other posters with physical harm. I feel like this is some big oversight
- bulet13

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BenderRodriguez
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Norristown, PA
Joined: 01.19.2011

Sep 27 @ 5:42 PM ET
well he was fired
- 2Real


Therefore, everything he did during his tenure was terrible. Got it.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 27 @ 6:05 PM ET
Maybe trade the pick for an NHL ready player?
- acd513


Such as?
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Sep 27 @ 6:14 PM ET
He hoarded his draft picks too such an extent that a team which needed immediate help floundered. Attendance dropped and valuable years were waste of the franchise captains career.
- acd513



Well. That is kinda how the pens and Chicago built their multi championship teams. La was similar. The bulk of his work are still young and are coming still. While Ron had some negatives he helped rebuild a solid foundation for this team.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 27 @ 6:32 PM ET
Therefore, everything he did during his tenure was terrible. Got it.
- BenderRodriguez

the sum of his efforts was terrible
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Sep 27 @ 6:49 PM ET
well he was fired
- 2Real


So every GM or Coach that fired is terrible.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 27 @ 6:51 PM ET
He hoarded his draft picks too such an extent that a team which needed immediate help floundered. Attendance dropped and valuable years were waste of the franchise captains career.
- acd513

He could've traded everything and they still wouldn't have been good enough.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 27 @ 6:54 PM ET
Such as?
- MBFlyerfan

Luke Schenn

Remember Homer tried to that and it didn't work. They needed to build through drafting. The "trade all the picks for everything" approach put them in the mess Hextall inherited. How soon people forget.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 27 @ 6:55 PM ET
We should give Patrick some of gritty’s drugs
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 27 @ 6:56 PM ET
Luke Schenn

Remember Homer tried to that and it didn't work. They needed to build through drafting. The "trade all the picks for everything" approach put them in the mess Hextall inherited. How soon people forget.

- hereticpride

Worked for St. Louis
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 27 @ 6:57 PM ET
So every GM or Coach that fired is terrible.
- opeth_pa

Why else would you fire some one
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 27 @ 7:00 PM ET
Worked for St. Louis
- 2Real

After building a core of players to build around.
BenderRodriguez
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Norristown, PA
Joined: 01.19.2011

Sep 27 @ 7:05 PM ET
the sum of his efforts was terrible
- 2Real


Good talk
Hckygoalie31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 09.25.2017

Sep 27 @ 7:05 PM ET
and got a guy that's always injured? we would have been better without winning that
- 2Real


Hes played 72 and 73 games. Its not like he's Neuvy or something
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 27 @ 8:13 PM ET
History and the facts say otherwise.
- MJL


History and the facts, as well as what you think, are irrelevant.

Not but really, I would have chuckled. Have a blessed Friday.
acd513
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 06.23.2013

Sep 27 @ 8:37 PM ET
Well. That is kinda how the pens and Chicago built their multi championship teams. La was similar. The bulk of his work are still young and are coming still. While Ron had some negatives he helped rebuild a solid foundation for this team.
- Peter Richards


He failed to find a middle ground. Overvaluing picks he wanted to make and overvaluing prospects he drafted.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 27 @ 8:55 PM ET
Matt read wearing a. β€œA” scores for the Leafs just now.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 27 @ 8:57 PM ET
History and the facts, as well as what you think, are irrelevant.

Not but really, I would have chuckled. Have a blessed Friday.

- jmatchett383

You better be Middle Aged Black woman.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 27 @ 9:02 PM ET
Honestly. Matt Read looks really good tonight. I think he just may have an NHL job after tonight.
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