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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 27 @ 9:58 AM ET
WIP Ill just hang up and listen in DA HOUSE YO!!!!!!
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Sep 27 @ 9:59 AM ET
Couturier is better offensively then I thought, or ever gave him credit for. That being said he was turning into a stud 3rd line, shut down center, which are extremely valuable as well. Good on him to throw his game to another gear.
- landros 2


you should watch some of his highlights in Drummondville, it's easy to see why he was projected to be a first overall pick, we kinda got lucky he got mono or whatever he had and he fell to us.

And some people wanted Dougie Hamilton, but for me, I'll take Coots all damn day

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 27 @ 10:00 AM ET
Can we please move away from the absurd conversations regarding Nolan Patrick and instead focus on something the Flyers should actually get flak for, like having Chris Stewart within 100 yards of any Flyers facility in any capacity.
- StepfordSam


If he stays on a PTO and doesn't play in real games, then it's not so bad.

I'll just try not to focus on the way Fletcher is using his role as GM to do favors for plugs and goons that he knew in Minnesota, instead of building the best team possible.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 27 @ 10:00 AM ET
you should watch some of his highlights in Drummondville, it's easy to see why he was projected to be a first overall pick, we kinda got lucky he got mono or whatever he had and he fell to us.

And some people wanted Dougie Hamilton, but for me, I'll take Coots all damn day

- sjk540


Everyone loves Dougie. That's why he's on his 3rd team already.
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

Sep 27 @ 10:01 AM ET
If you want to critique Hextall and Pryor's drafting, I'd suggest looking at their first two picks in 2016 which were both not Alex Debrincat. To pass on the little points machine once is understandable; every team in the first round did. To pass on him the second time is tough.
- Feanor


I would agree actually, time will tell on Rubstov, however I was screaming at the TV when they bypassed him for Laberge.

I had that same feeling this year about Arthru Kaliyev, was really hoping they'd trade back up for him, but I guess Bobby Orr Brink has plenty of time to prove us wrong.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 27 @ 10:03 AM ET
Couturier is better offensively then I thought, or ever gave him credit for. That being said he was turning into a stud 3rd line, shut down center, which are extremely valuable as well. Good on him to throw his game to another gear.
- landros 2


His role to start was a 3rd line C but people kept saying this kid was garbage, he would amount to more than a 3rd line player and was a wasted 1st round pick much like NoPa. Couturier was always going to be special. There was a reason his player comparison was Bergeron. At 21 NoPa has plenty of time left to develop.
Tomahawk
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Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 27 @ 10:03 AM ET
Everyone loves Dougie. That's why he's on his 3rd team already.
- Feanor


Weird that's seen as a knock on him personally.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 27 @ 10:04 AM ET
Everyone loves Dougie. That's why he's on his 3rd team already.
- Feanor


That is not a fair assessment. Maybe Boston had an issue but CGY got a great package for him. Hanfin and Lindholm were a steal. If CAR didnt like him Faulk wouldnt have been the one moved.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 27 @ 10:05 AM ET
Can we please move away from the absurd conversations regarding Nolan Patrick and instead focus on something the Flyers should actually get flak for, like having Chris Stewart within 100 yards of any Flyers facility in any capacity.
- StepfordSam



I honestly don't understand the problem people have with Chris Stewart being here. Its not like he is blocking anyone from a roster spot.

And if they do keep him as a 13th forward I would rather it be him sitting in the Cote suite than a kid who we would rather have playing in Lehigh.

And except for an extreme injury emergency, we can still call up a kid in case of injury and leave Stewart in the pressbox.

And if he stays on a PTO how does that hurt anyone?

The amount of vitriol is baffling to me.


Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Sep 27 @ 10:07 AM ET
I honestly don't understand the problem people have with Chris Stewart being here. Its not like he is blocking anyone from a roster spot.

And if they do keep him as a 13th forward I would rather it be him sitting in the Cote suite than a kid who we would rather have playing in Lehigh.

And except for an extreme injury emergency, we can still call up a kid in case of injury and leave Stewart in the pressbox.

And if he stays on a PTO how does that hurt anyone?

The amount of vitriol is baffling to me.

- MBFlyerfan


completely agree.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Sep 27 @ 10:07 AM ET

I don’t have a crystal ball, but standing in this moment, I’m not sorry that the Flyers drafted Nolan Patrick. If right now we could draft it over, I would choose him again. You don’t let adversity define you, you let it become part of you and it makes you stronger. I don’t know what happens next, but I wish nothing but the very best for Patrick. Chin up, kid!

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 27 @ 10:08 AM ET
Its not like he is blocking anyone from a roster spot.
- MBFlyerfan


NAK would beg to differ.

At this point, I'm just gonna view the PTO as 'NHL-ready' injury-insurance for Europe.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 27 @ 10:08 AM ET
If he stays on a PTO and doesn't play in real games, then it's not so bad.

I'll just try not to focus on the way Fletcher is using his role as GM to do favors for plugs and goons that he knew in Minnesota, instead of building the best team possible.

- Feanor



I don't know of many goons who have a 28 goal season in the NHL. Or multiple seasons of double digit goals.

He is for sure cooked as a viable top 12 player, but he is not and never was a goon.

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 27 @ 10:09 AM ET
NAK would beg to differ.

At this point, I'm just gonna view the PTO as 'NHL-ready' injury-insurance for Europe.

- Tomahawk



I wouldn't want NAK to just sit in the press box every game.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Sep 27 @ 10:10 AM ET
I don’t have a crystal ball, but standing in this moment, I’m not sorry that the Flyers drafted Nolan Patrick. If right now we could draft it over, I would choose him again. You don’t let adversity define you, you let it become part of you and it makes you stronger. I don’t know what happens next, but I wish nothing but the very best for Patrick. Chin up, kid!
- NC Flyers Fan


landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Sep 27 @ 10:10 AM ET
Im making fun of all the people going on about how NoPa is a bust and should have never been drafted
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


oh ok...right over my head.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Sep 27 @ 10:11 AM ET
I honestly don't understand the problem people have with Chris Stewart being here. Its not like he is blocking anyone from a roster spot.

And if they do keep him as a 13th forward I would rather it be him sitting in the Cote suite than a kid who we would rather have playing in Lehigh.

And except for an extreme injury emergency, we can still call up a kid in case of injury and leave Stewart in the pressbox.

And if he stays on a PTO how does that hurt anyone?

The amount of vitriol is baffling to me.

- MBFlyerfan



100% agree.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Sep 27 @ 10:11 AM ET
Not really a fair comparison, IMO.

Both Coots and Richie started their careers further down the lineup, with a heap ton more defensive responsibility, and linemates that were either inexperienced or of limited ability. Neither got major time on the PP their first couple of seasons.

Patrick was basically handed the 2C job on a silver platter with Jake Voracek to feed him the puck, balanced/favorable usage, and PP time. He's even been on the 1st-line and PP1 for stretches. Despite those advantages, he's been underwhelming offensively, and still a work in progress defensively.

Who knows where Patrick's career will end up. Maybe he is an outlier and still has 1C potential. But speaking frankly, his first two years don't look anything like Richie and Coots' under the surface.

- Tomahawk


Maybe I am not remembering correctly, but didn't the Flyers use Filppula to ease Patrick in his first year?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 27 @ 10:13 AM ET
I wouldn't want NAK to just sit in the press box every game.
- MBFlyerfan


I'd rather him to be around as a constant reminder to AV to put him into the lineup.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 27 @ 10:15 AM ET
Maybe I am not remembering correctly, but didn't the Flyers use Filppula to ease Patrick in his first year?
- Glak18


More of a 2A/2B situation.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Sep 27 @ 10:15 AM ET
His role to start was a 3rd line C but people kept saying this kid was garbage, he would amount to more than a 3rd line player and was a wasted 1st round pick much like NoPa. Couturier was always going to be special. There was a reason his player comparison was Bergeron. At 21 NoPa has plenty of time left to develop.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I loved him from the day he went at Malkin in the playoff's. ….as a pup no less. Who knows maybe Nopa is a Bust. I just don't think he will be. I think he will be a top # 1 center. If he can stay healthy (a big if today) he definitely could explode into a top flight guy. He has skill and size that you can't teach.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Sep 27 @ 10:19 AM ET
I loved him from the day he went at Malkin in the playoff's. ….as a pup no less. Who knows maybe Nopa is a Bust. I just don't think he will be. I think he will be a top # 1 center. If he can stay healthy (a big if today) he definitely could explode into a top flight guy. He has skill and size that you can't teach.
- landros 2


i'm with ya, but to call him a bust at this point and act like the flyers should have taken someone else is hilarious.
acd513
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Joined: 06.23.2013

Sep 27 @ 10:19 AM ET
Which Clown alt are you?

If you can honestly look at the prospect pool the Flyers have, consistently ranked as top system over the last few years , and still say all of that then more power to you.

- opeth_pa


The Oilers have a helluva prospect pool, too.

Prospects are one thing. Winning is another.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 27 @ 10:20 AM ET
I'd rather him to be around as a constant reminder to AV to put him into the lineup.
- Tomahawk



In place of who? (honest question) Because it wont be Stewart since he is already in the pressbox.

Raffl?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 27 @ 10:20 AM ET
Really. So you just don’t believe any of the stories that came out after Hexy got fired?

Patrick was the right pick at second overall. Somebody else should have been picking him. I wasn’t alone in thinking it was time to trade a first for a roster player. Not a knock on Patrick. He looks to have a solid NHL career ahead of him.

Hextall’s blue line of first and second year kids was a disaster. His process was more important to him than the team’s success. This is why Fletcher just had to overpay for Braun and Niskanen.

Let’s be honest, Hextall’s drafting wasn’t that great. He GMd a basement dweller with multiple first rounders and his only home run was a goaltender in the 3rd round.

- acd513



More ridiculous comments. Hextall's draft record is pretty strong.
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