I don’t get why sending olofsson and pilut down ... and calling up dea lazar etc.

How does that save cap space?

Anyways. They can’t practice today due to what ever rule bending we are trying to pull off
- Sabretooth9

If you just reverse yesterday's moves, they save about 700k + it impacts the LTIR calculation. Think of it as double dipping.

I get it. Can't have a team full of defensive liabilities for the sake of a few goals.

To me E-Rod is a 200ft player, Sobotka is a 5ft player. It's not about offensive potential but simply a no brainer there. I think that might apply more to Tage.
- RhinoFan

To be fair, and to lean to your side of the isle, while I understand the concept behind Vlad playing on the second line, I truly don't understand what's going on with Erod and how he's not "good enough" to be playing here. For game 1.

Yup it is. We haven't had an unexpected breakout player in a good long while though

Myers
Ennis to a lesser extent at the end of that one playoff season when he was called up

None of those guys you mentioned were 24 years old either
- jcragcrumple

I honestly picked those three because they are the last three sabres forwards to be drafted, play a rookie season, and go on to be 60 point players. I tried to find a more age appropriate example, but this team hasn't produced a first line forward outside those three really. Pominville and Stafford would be the next best two examples, and I hope VO is better than them both.

But maybe that fact itself should temper expectations.

Yup it is. We haven't had an unexpected breakout player in a good long while though

Myers
Ennis to a lesser extent at the end of that one playoff season when he was called up

None of those guys you mentioned were 24 years old either
- jcragcrumple

You know who was 24? Panarin

Oh, no wasn't implying you were. It did sound that way after rereading. I need to see some good hockey and I'll cheer up. I lost my tail it seems.
- RhinoFan

No offense taken, just stating my own point. I realize I'm on the optimistic minority side here, but it doesn't mean I'm buying all the poop they're selling. My whole argument through all of this is, let's just see this poop in action before the judgements fly.

I'm dying to like this team again.

Marcus Johansson said it feels like the Sabres are ready.

“Just looking at practice – it feels like guys are ready. I mean, there’s high intensity, guys look hungry.

"This is when the fun starts. Yeah, we’re ready. This is what we worked for all summer. It’s finally here.”


Mitts is hungry is all I got out of this.

you expose lazar to waivers, only to call him up the next day

this literally makes no sense

Hey you know what guys. Lets atleast wait until after the first game to lose our poop about the season?

Ok, but that's a fan's opinion, not the team's.

Everyone b!tches, and rightly so, that we rushed Mitts and TT.

But you're ready to give 9 minutes a game to guys who aren't ready, instead of allowing them to play 17-20 minutes a night in the minors and becoming the best pros they can be for the big club going forward?
- Powerslave

The team is wrong then. Wouldn't be the first time.

And please, let's not insinuate that guys like Lazar and E-Rod are developing. They are who they are and who they are is better than who Okposo or Girgs are.

Tage is the only one who that argument works with at all and he earned it. And his replacement Sobotka is getting top6 minutes, not 9 per game.

can i cry and curl up in the fetal position?
- SabresFaninIndiana

If you wish.

you expose lazar to waivers, only to call him up the next day

this literally makes no sense
- homiedclown

Motivation tactic! Look.. No one wants you. We maybe kind want you. Put in some work, and maybe we'll see what happens!

I wonder if it was a cap savings thing too. Since he cleared waivers on the first pass, do they have to send him back down through waivers if they want to send him back to the AHL again?

The team is wrong then. Wouldn't be the first time.

And please, let's not insinuate that guys like Lazar and E-Rod are developing. They are who they are and who they are is better than who Okposo or Girgs are.

Tage is the only one who that argument works with at all and he earned it. And his replacement Sobotka is getting top6 minutes, not 9 per game.
- RhinoFan

I believe I said this yesterday. Flash back to 2014-2015. Mikael Grigorenko hit the weight room, looked even better than Tage Thompson did in preseason, and he was still sent to Rochester. He no longer plays in this league. Preseason performances are tricky, and I don't fault a team for not getting too caught up in in unless they absolutely dominate.

you expose lazar to waivers, only to call him up the next day

this literally makes no sense
- homiedclown

Paper. Transactions.

Motivation tactic! Look.. No one wants you. We maybe kind want you. Put in some work, and maybe we'll see what happens!

I wonder if it was a cap savings thing too. Since he cleared waivers on the first pass, do they have to send him back down through waivers if they want to send him back to the AHL again?
- ajb2493

It was.

The team is wrong then. Wouldn't be the first time.

And please, let's not insinuate that guys like Lazar and E-Rod are developing. They are who they are and who they are is better than who Okposo or Girgs are.

Tage is the only one who that argument works with at all and he earned it. And his replacement Sobotka is getting top6 minutes, not 9 per game.
- RhinoFan

Well he was stripped of his letter. Hopefully that makes him press box eligible now

Well he was stripped of his letter. Hopefully that makes him press box eligible now
- jcragcrumple

2nd line winger
first team pp

by game 3


synergy

Motivation tactic! Look.. No one wants you. We maybe kind want you. Put in some work, and maybe we'll see what happens!

I wonder if it was a cap savings thing too. Since he cleared waivers on the first pass, do they have to send him back down through waivers if they want to send him back to the AHL again?
- ajb2493

It was for cap savings and LTIR calculations.

No, he doesn't have to clear waivers again for something like 30 days or 7 NHL games.

Paper. Transactions.
- TheSabresTaco

I wonder what these guys physically do with these paper transactions.

Do Olaffsson and Jokiharju actually go to Rochester or just stay in their hotel?

2nd line winger
first team pp

by game 3


synergy
- homiedclown

If you told me that 2 weeks ago, i would say it's a horrible idea

but considering who is currently there, well...

The team is wrong then. Wouldn't be the first time.

And please, let's not insinuate that guys like Lazar and E-Rod are developing. They are who they are and who they are is better than who Okposo or Girgs are.

Tage is the only one who that argument works with at all and he earned it. And his replacement Sobotka is getting top6 minutes, not 9 per game.
- RhinoFan

Are Lazar and ERod really proven themselves to be better than Okposo and Girgs though? Sure, they may be faster, but does that make them better?

Also, Tage may have earned it in preseason, but you can't have it both ways. Meaning that Dahlin wasn't great in preseason and at times was absolutely horrible. Perhaps they should have kept Nelson up instead because he had a good preseason? I didn't think so.

I wonder what these guys physically do with these paper transactions.

Do Olaffsson and Jokiharju actually go to Rochester or just stay in their hotel?
- buffalofan19

they make them take a greyhound to rochester and report to the locker room

Are Lazar and ERod really proven themselves to be better than Okposo and Girgs though? Sure, they may be faster, but does that make them better?

Also, Tage may have earned it in preseason, but you can't have it both ways. Meaning that Dahlin wasn't great in preseason and at times was absolutely horrible. Perhaps they should have kept Nelson up instead because he had a good preseason? I didn't think so.
- adambuffalo

Yes, at 5-on-5 scoring, drawing penalties, not taking penalties, killing penalties and adding the threat of shorthanded scoring

Are Lazar and ERod really proven themselves to be better than Okposo and Girgs though? Sure, they may be faster, but does that make them better?

Also, Tage may have earned it in preseason, but you can't have it both ways. Meaning that Dahlin wasn't great in preseason and at times was absolutely horrible. Perhaps they should have kept Nelson up instead because he had a good preseason? I didn't think so.
- adambuffalo

Yes. E-Rod is better than both. He's good on the PK and has some of the best WAR numbers out of the bottom 9 forwards.

Lazar is somewhat of an unknown, I'll give you that. Sobotka has proven he cannot be a competent top6 forward in the NHL time and time again. So yes, I think the team would be better with these changes and it wouldn't be a subtle difference.

Dahlin at his worst is better than Nelson.

I wonder what these guys physically do with these paper transactions.

Do Olaffsson and Jokiharju actually go to Rochester or just stay in their hotel?
- buffalofan19

I believe they actually do have to report. I read a story a few years ago about JB's cap moves for the Pens. It pointed out that he sent guys to their ECHL team, instead of their AHL, because it's a shorter trip.

To be fair, and to lean to your side of the isle, while I understand the concept behind Vlad playing on the second line, I truly don't understand what's going on with Erod and how he's not "good enough" to be playing here. For game 1.
- TheSabresTaco

That swap is the most egregious thing I see as well. E-Rod was fine last season. Vlad was a dumpster fire. The only thing I can think of is that Sobo was a Botts acquisition so they're giving him extra opportunity to lessen the blow of the RoR trade. I can think of nothing else.