In a fantasy redo of history... There are two things that I would do - rewrite the events of what happened on Nov 11, 1985 and July 23, 1999.

- leon neon

Dont forget sitting Pronger in 2011. He missed 6 games and his final NHL game was 4 games later after Hanzal hit Pronger into the boards

In a fantasy redo of history... There are two things that I would do - rewrite the events of what happened on Nov 11, 1985 and July 23, 1999.

- leon neon

Id also go back and travel to Feb 2000 Colorado to destroy all phone lines so that Pierre Lacroix couldn't slip in at the 11th hour to take Ray Bourque away from us. 1999-00 and 2000-01 could've been cup years for us with him in tow.

That 'slight overpay' for Hayes doesn't seem so harmless anymore.

(Oddly, it's about the exact same amount they would have needed to keep Myers up)
- Tomahawk

Neither here nor there, but I still think the acquisition of Braun wasn't necessary. I honestly would rather have the cap space we created by buying out Amac.

Dont forget sitting Pronger in 2011. He missed 6 games and his final NHL game was 4 games later after Hanzal hit Pronger into the boards
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

If we're going to add injuries... Stevens hit on Lindros would be top of the list. Everything went south from there.

Neither here nor there, but I still think the acquisition of Braun wasn't necessary. I honestly would rather have the cap space we created by buying out Amac.
- MBFlyerfan

They have a good amount of dead space this year and next. The dead space would more than cover Farabee and Myers' salary. The little extra given to Hayes was a necessary evil in my book.

I think Morin or Hagg get moved after November. November is brutal schedule wise.

Id also go back and travel to Feb 2000 Colorado to destroy all phone lines so that Pierre Lacroix couldn't slip in at the 11th hour to take Ray Bourque away from us. 1999-00 and 2000-01 could've been cup years for us with him in tow.
- sjk540

What if Leighton made that easy save?

Josh Ho-sang has requested a trade and it won't be to the Flyers....I have a prediction. 3 years from now teams will look back and say...we could have had that guy for nothing off waivers. He has elite skill, and although a tad immature is a good kid. Some one will benefit.

Josh Ho-sang has requested a trade and it won't be to the Flyers....I have a prediction. 3 years from now teams will look back and say...we could have had that guy for nothing off waivers. He has elite skill, and although a tad immature is a good kid. Some one will benefit.
- landros 2

You know he is a "tad immature is a good kid" how?

You know he is a "tad immature is a good kid" how?
- opeth_pa

from my area. friends of friends....(said the guy on the internet...lol.)

Josh Ho-sang has requested a trade and it won't be to the Flyers....I have a prediction. 3 years from now teams will look back and say...we could have had that guy for nothing off waivers. He has elite skill, and although a tad immature is a good kid. Some one will benefit.
- landros 2

More likely he'll just be another footnote in draft history.... see: Rob Schremp

so, what were the lines in practice?

What if Leighton made that easy save?
- Bayareaflyer

Should've never gotten to that point, Carter (as per usual) missed a gaping net that he shot right into Niemi's pads minutes earlier. As the ol saying goes, anything can happen in a game 7

Edit: But yes, he should've made that save and anyone should make that save 10 out of 10 times.

Except it isnt that big of a deal. Myers will be up soon. The problem is having 8 Dmen. It is only a matter of time before Hagg is dealt and that will give us that wiggle room. The team improved on paper regardless.

At the end of they day a lot of space is available next season. Gudas, AMac, Schlemko Braun are all off the books which comes out to 6 mill. Maybe we move on from Raffl as well and free up another 1.6 mill.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

amac still has another season on the books after this one. but elliott's contract is up after this season, so is pitlick's. just to add a couple names to your list.

Josh Ho-sang has requested a trade and it won't be to the Flyers....I have a prediction. 3 years from now teams will look back and say...we could have had that guy for nothing off waivers. He has elite skill, and although a tad immature is a good kid. Some one will benefit.
- landros 2

On the one hand, I think it’s weird to request a trade following just passing through waivers. Any team could have had him for free, why have to give up an asset now? On the other hand, people have always matured at different rates. If there is too much history with the NYI that they can no longer be a fair judge and have no interest in giving him a NHL opportunity, manners tell me that they should try to trade him. Who knows maybe they already tried, and no teams are willing. How old is he now?

Edit: age 23 (unrelated: his DOB makes me feel old...)

On the one hand, I think it’s weird to request a trade following just passing through waivers. Any team could have had him for free, why have to give up an asset now? On the other hand, people have always matured at different rates. If there is too much history with the NYI that they can no longer be a fair judge and have no interest in giving him a NHL opportunity, manners tell me that they should try to trade him. Who knows maybe they already tried, and no teams are willing. How old is he now?
- NC Flyers Fan

The ultimate matured later and (frank)ed Philly = Cris Carter

Josh Ho-sang has requested a trade and it won't be to the Flyers....I have a prediction. 3 years from now teams will look back and say...we could have had that guy for nothing off waivers. He has elite skill, and although a tad immature is a good kid. Some one will benefit.
- landros 2

He has skill, for sure. "Elite" is pushing it. Skilled as he is, he never came close leading the OHL in points-per-game or approached the 1 PT per-game mark rate in the AHL. He entered the league as a guy who interviewed poorly and was on quite a few teams' "do not draft" list. Although he's tried at times to live it down, he's kept finding new ways to be deemed a tough player to coach and not the best of teammates.

Asking for a trade the same week you pass through waivers -- when the clear-cut "he's behaving like a pro" tact here would be publicly keep quiet, go back to Bridgeport, play well while asking behind the scenes for a trade -- isn't going to help the rep that he still carries.

I know 100 percent for a fact, because I met some of the people involved, that Kunlun Red Star (the China-based team in the KHL) really wants to find a star-caliber KHLer of at least partial Chinese extraction and let it be known two years ago that if Ho-Sang couldn't find an NHL spot in New York or elsewhere, they'd have strong interest.

I don't know if that is something HE'D want to do, but I'm not liking his NHL chances at this point.

That 'slight overpay' for Hayes doesn't seem so harmless anymore.

(Oddly, it's about the exact same amount they would have needed to keep Myers up)
- Tomahawk

That overpay is what you're worried about when Nolan Patrick has migraine disorder?

I hope Justin Braun does well, because his signing is the reason Myers was sent down. I just don't get why this organization is so reluctant to play the younger players. More seasoning!
- backfire

That's false. There was absolutely an open spot available to Myers to be won in the top 6. By all accounts, he didn't play well enough to seize the spot in the coaches eyes.

He has skill, for sure. "Elite" is pushing it. Skilled as he is, he never came close leading the OHL in points-per-game or approached the 1 PT per-game mark rate in the AHL. He entered the league as a guy who interviewed poorly and was on quite a few teams' "do not draft" list. Although he's tried at times to live it down, he's kept finding new ways to be deemed a tough player to coach and not the best of teammates.

Asking for a trade the same week you pass through waivers -- when the clear-cut "he's behaving like a pro" tact here would be publicly keep quiet, go back to Bridgeport, play well while asking behind the scenes for a trade -- isn't going to help the rep that he still carries.

I know 100 percent for a fact, because I met some of the people involved, that Kunlun Red Star (the China-based team in the KHL) really wants to find a star-caliber KHLer of at least partial Chinese extraction and let it be known two years ago that if Ho-Sang couldn't find an NHL spot in New York or elsewhere, they'd have strong interest.

I don't know if that is something HE'D want to do, but I'm not liking his NHL chances at this point.
- bmeltzer

Considering nobody claimed him on waivers, wouldn't one think NYI would need to throw in a kicker in order to trade him?

And this, folks, is why you don't spend completely to the cap.

Wouldn't it be nice to have your best players available for game 1?
- Tomahawk

He has skill, for sure. "Elite" is pushing it. Skilled as he is, he never came close leading the OHL in points-per-game or approached the 1 PT per-game mark rate in the AHL. He entered the league as a guy who interviewed poorly and was on quite a few teams' "do not draft" list. Although he's tried at times to live it down, he's kept finding new ways to be deemed a tough player to coach and not the best of teammates.

Asking for a trade the same week you pass through waivers -- when the clear-cut "he's behaving like a pro" tact here would be publicly keep quiet, go back to Bridgeport, play well while asking behind the scenes for a trade -- isn't going to help the rep that he still carries.

I know 100 percent for a fact, because I met some of the people involved, that Kunlun Red Star (the China-based team in the KHL) really wants to find a star-caliber KHLer of at least partial Chinese extraction and let it be known two years ago that if Ho-Sang couldn't find an NHL spot in New York or elsewhere, they'd have strong interest.

I don't know if that is something HE'D want to do, but I'm not liking his NHL chances at this point.
- bmeltzer

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I'm sad for kids like this because it means a few things may have happened. He had people telling him how great he was his whole life and not one adult actually sat him down and gave him a dose of reality. he comes off as a arrogant brat who never really earned the right to be arrogant,

Except it isnt that big of a deal. Myers will be up soon. The problem is having 8 Dmen. It is only a matter of time before Hagg is dealt and that will give us that wiggle room. The team improved on paper regardless.

At the end of they day a lot of space is available next season. Gudas, AMac, Schlemko Braun are all off the books which comes out to 6 mill. Maybe we move on from Raffl as well and free up another 1.6 mill.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That's incorrect. Schlemko and MacDonald will still be on the cap due to their buyouts in 20/21.

The Flyers had plenty of cap space last season to ice their "best players" which included MacDonald and Lehtera who are now out of the league, and they still started off so badly that the coach and GM were fired after two months.

The Flyers had plenty of cap space last season to ice their "best players" which included MacDonald and Lehtera who are now out of the league, and they still started off so badly that the coach and GM were fired after two months.
- Feanor

Zero games in and we're already complaining about cap issues (caused by injuries, mind you). This place is priceless.

He has skill, for sure. "Elite" is pushing it. Skilled as he is, he never came close leading the OHL in points-per-game or approached the 1 PT per-game mark rate in the AHL. He entered the league as a guy who interviewed poorly and was on quite a few teams' "do not draft" list. Although he's tried at times to live it down, he's kept finding new ways to be deemed a tough player to coach and not the best of teammates.

Asking for a trade the same week you pass through waivers -- when the clear-cut "he's behaving like a pro" tact here would be publicly keep quiet, go back to Bridgeport, play well while asking behind the scenes for a trade -- isn't going to help the rep that he still carries.

I know 100 percent for a fact, because I met some of the people involved, that Kunlun Red Star (the China-based team in the KHL) really wants to find a star-caliber KHLer of at least partial Chinese extraction and let it be known two years ago that if Ho-Sang couldn't find an NHL spot in New York or elsewhere, they'd have strong interest.

I don't know if that is something HE'D want to do, but I'm not liking his NHL chances at this point.
- bmeltzer

I’ve watched the kid for a lot of years and that’s what I’m basing my impression of him on....I realize not many share will my prediction......I will say his growth seems to have all but stopped, so a change of scenery is indeed in his best interest. Will he get a shot? Wouldn’t shock me if, as you say, he has to think outside the box to get that opportunity but I just remember watching this kid out play his opposition at levels that made him look special. I guess we’ll see.