Laine with 3 goals and 7 assists for 10 points in 5 games. Thank god we didn’t trade for him, don’t need another one dimensional bum

Which ones ? I was off on the Broncos this year and mitts getting 50 points last year but other then that I’ve been spot on a lot of things.

I said we should of taken Draisatil over Reinhart before the draft in 2014. Ask Homie to post the thread he had it bookmarked for years.

Last November it was Lafreniere buzz here on these threads and everyone was convinced the Blues were handing us a top pick this year and I said they weren’t going to be a bottom 10 team (didn’t have them winning the cup but who did).

I said Scandella should have been moved as soon as the lottery balls popped up in our favour for Dahlin. Then the guy went and had a miserable season last year. (4 games this year isn’t going to change my mind on that, if anything shows how well Joker is playing).

Said the Sabres were going to collapse during the 10 game win streak last year and was the tank commander for Cozens (whom 80% of this board criticized me for wanting the team to lose yet it’s the same posters slotting him into our top 6 next year)

While everyone was posting Thompson doing pirouettes last year I was one of his lone defenders saying he was very raw and still saw him as a middle 6 option once he filled out and got his confidence back.

Said we were going centre at 7 even though everyone was on the Caufield train.

Said Boldy was going to get picked before Caufield.

Anything else ? I got more.
- Swedish_Jesus

I'm converted. Well Said Sir, Well Said!


If those are your "takes" I stand corrected,

Maybe you speak Latin........"Now I Really Hate Him"

"I have not yet, begun to defile myself."

Only six players on the team even have more defensive zone starts than offensive, and one is Rodrigues who only played one game. Two others, Risto and McCabe, are not far from 50%.

Everyone else is skewed high because the twins and okposo get about 75% defensive zone starts. Does that mean Okposo is better defensively than Eichel who is around 68% offensive zone starts? No. It means Okposo is useless offensively so he's never put out there in scoring situations. What else does it mean? He's on my team so he has to play somewhere.

I don't think people realize that zone starts only count off faceoffs. Now ask yourself, why is dahlin always out there for an offensive zone faceoff? Because he is great, same reason Jack is out there. Am I ever going to come out of a tv timeout and put Larsson out for an ozone start?

Zone starts tell you if a player is good offensively or not. They don't tell you much else.
- matty12345

Zone starts aren’t indicative of performance at all. Just usage.

Laine with 3 goals and 7 assists for 10 points in 5 games. Thank god we didn’t trade for him, don’t need another one dimensional bum
- Swedish_Jesus

We should revisit your Skinner takes since we’re going on about how right you are.

How irrelevant has he been without Eichel?

Zone starts aren’t indicative of performance at all. Just usage.
- OneKaneOneCup

Exactly, and if you are an elite offensive player you will have more ozone starts. If Dahlin's ozone starts are ever below 50 Krueger is doing it wrong.

Exactly, and if you are an elite offensive player you will have more ozone starts. If Dahlin's ozone starts are ever below 50 Krueger is doing it wrong.
- matty12345

They also rarely mention neutral zone starts. When you take a closer look:

19 ozone, 10 nzone, 10 dzone at 5v5

Off topic, but why institute review of uncalled PI if the standard is, "The call on the field will stand in all situations other than the NO situation"?

They also rarely mention neutral zone starts. When you take a closer look:

19 ozone, 10 nzone, 10 dzone at 5v5
- Lunaion

I'm glad people are finally starting to chart neutral zone starts instead of just using the red line as the divider. That's been one of my pet peeves with stat keeping.

Where are you getting those stats?

We should revisit your Skinner takes since we’re going on about how right you are.

How irrelevant has he been without Eichel?
- OneKaneOneCup

Ut oh.

We should revisit your Skinner takes since we’re going on about how right you are.

How irrelevant has he been without Eichel?
- OneKaneOneCup

My Skinner take was that he was overpaid by $1M and should of not have gotten more then 5 years. So unless you can somehow fast forward into the future and tell me that we won’t be banging our heads on the table asking ourselves why we are paying Skinner the last three years of that deal then my take isn’t even close to be analyzed yet.

Skinner could score 80 goals this year and it won’t mean anything if he isn’t a $9M dollar player when we actually need him to be a $9M dollar player, which in all likelihood is earliest 2-3 years from now when we are a cup contender and need to maximize every dollar of our cap space.

I'm glad people are finally starting to chart neutral zone starts instead of just using the red line as the divider. That's been one of my pet peeves with stat keeping.

Where are you getting those stats?
- jcragcrumple

Agreed. It's a bit misleading.

http://corsica.hockey/skater-stats/

My Skinner take was that he was overpaid by $1M and should of not have gotten more then 5 years. So unless you can somehow fast forward into the future and tell me that we won’t be banging our heads on the table asking ourselves why we are paying Skinner the last three years of that deal then my take isn’t even close to be analyzed yet.

Skinner could score 80 goals this year and it won’t mean anything if he isn’t a $9M dollar player when we actually need him to be a $9M dollar player, which in all likelihood is earliest 2-3 years from now when we are a cup contender and need to maximize every dollar of our cap space.
- Swedish_Jesus

Thats interesting.

If he scored 80 (or 35 or 40) I’d say that’s pretty good for being “irrelevant”

Or are you going to pretend you didn’t call him a second liner, and someone who’d disappear without Eichel?

Agreed. It's a bit misleading.

http://corsica.hockey/skater-stats/
- Lunaion

Thanks

Thats interesting.

If he scored 80 (or 35 or 40) I’d say that’s pretty good for being “irrelevant”

Or are you going to pretend you didn’t call him a second liner, and someone who’d disappear without Eichel?
- OneKaneOneCup

He’s never had back to back 30 goal seasons, and his career average for points in a season is 56 points. Sounds like an exact recipe for success over an 8 year contract in which he peaked the season before he signed the deal.

He’s never had back to back 30 goal seasons, and his career average for points in a season is 56 points. Sounds like an exact recipe for success over an 8 year contract in which he peaked the season before he signed the deal.
- Swedish_Jesus

I think 7.5x7 would've outbid everyone else.

Offensive zone starts so far

Rasmus Ristolainen- 9
Rasmus Dahlin - 10

What. A. Difference
- OneKaneOneCup

66% Dahlin
46% Risto

You'll note that's the first time I mentioned Risto in this thread, only because you did.

I simply stated that 4 games in, posting stats, any kind really, and you're trying awful hard to make a point that the numbers will almost certainly not play out because the sample size is ridiculously small. Something you'd think a stats nerd would know.

He’s never had back to back 30 goal seasons, and his career average for points in a season is 56 points. Sounds like an exact recipe for success over an 8 year contract in which he peaked the season before he signed the deal.
- Swedish_Jesus

The mental gymnastics here is fantastic

He literally averages 30 goals per 82 games.

Is well on his way to exceeding that pace as a Sabre

But his averages only matter when it comes to points.

When it comes to goals, it’s whether he can do it in back to back years

Alex Nylander only played 10 min and was benched

People in Chicago think he’s about to be a healthy scratch

I think 7.5x7 would've outbid everyone else.
- TheHank

I don’t think anyone was giving him 10.28M per over 7 years to match the dollar amount we gave him.

I don’t think anyone was giving him 10.28M per over 7 years to match the dollar amount we gave him.
- Swedish_Jesus

Probably not.

I thought 8.5 was right. 8 would’ve been fair.

Not a single person disagrees it was a mil overpay

I'm enjoying the ride, but I'm also trying to be realistic about the areas of concern and how to "fix" them essentially.

I def think we need a top 6 winger to replace Sobotka. I don't think he's killing us out there, but I do think that his spot needs to be upgraded. I think the way to go about doing that is moving Risto, especially when you look at the logjam of D we have once guys start getting healthy.

In the meantime, I'm having fun watching games again and in a different way than I did in during the month of November last year.
- HonkFortheGoose

You need size and strength with skill on D and Risto has that and he makes the big hits that makes other players play with their heads on a swivel when he is out there and that is good. You can't have basically the same type of Dmen it helps to have some meanness.

The mental gymnastics here is fantastic

He literally averages 30 goals per 82 games.

Is well on his way to exceeding that pace as a Sabre

But his averages only matter when it comes to points.

When it comes to goals, it’s whether he can do it in back to back years
- OneKaneOneCup

As long as he does it between the ages of 30-34 that’s what will matter. I’m not convinced he will be able to. When his shooting percentage goes down it’s not like he racks up enough assists to make it worth while.

All summer I read how we don’t need Laine because he’s one dimensional but when I use average points as a means to describe Skinner now it’s only goals that matter ?

For $9M a year he better score 30 goals and get 75 points annually.

The mental gymnastics here is fantastic

He literally averages 30 goals per 82 games.

Is well on his way to exceeding that pace as a Sabre

But his averages only matter when it comes to points.

When it comes to goals, it’s whether he can do it in back to back years
- OneKaneOneCup

Jeff Skinner can improve his game after 580 games played in Carolina.

Rasmus Ristolainen has played 420 games in Buffalo and anyone who thinks there’s any further developing him is a HOMER.

There is no narrative.

Jeff Skinner can improve his game after 580 games played in Carolina.

Rasmus Ristolainen has played 420 games in Buffalo and anyone who thinks there’s any further developing him is a HOMER.

There is no narrative.
- Der Kaiser

Except he hasn’t really improved his own game that much . He’s always been great and now was put in a better situation

It’s also pretty different going from really good to better, and going from really below average to really good.

But nice try

As long as he does it between the ages of 30-34 that’s what will matter. I’m not convinced he will be able to. When his shooting percentage goes down it’s not like he racks up enough assists to make it worth while.

All summer I read how we don’t need Laine because he’s one dimensional but when I use average points as a means to describe Skinner now it’s only goals that matter ?

For $9M a year he better score 30 goals and get 75 points annually.
- Swedish_Jesus

Or he can just continue to be the exact player he’s been for years which is an excellent LW