From what Ive heard from different arenas the definition from the stats keepers even changes. I tried to count last night as I thought the winnipeg game was off as well and from my understanding of the actual "definition" I counted the pens having at least 9 HDSC's. Very well could have missed a couple. I think its pretty clear just from memory and highlights it was definitely more then 5 though haha - pens4life-66
This is the problem with advanced shot metrics in the NHL, the data varies wildly from arena to arena based subjective scorekeepers.
This is the problem with advanced shot metrics in the NHL, the data varies wildly from arena to arena based subjective scorekeepers. - Murphy_Dump
This is why advanced metrics should be a balancing act. One person could see "A" and another could see "B," but if you look at a few different stats and most are "A" there's a good argument for "A."
This is why advanced metrics should be a balancing act. One person could see "A" and another could see "B," but if you look at a few different stats and most are "A" there's a good argument for "A." - Rinosaur
I agree, I think my main issue is with CF/CA.
It was literally one of the first advanced stats and is a glorified +/- for shots.
I don't think CF/CA gives any insight into a player on the ice, only that the team gave up more shot attempts.
On the flip side, I think advanced stats for goalies is much more useful. (HDSv %, etc)
From what Ive heard from different arenas the definition from the stats keepers even changes. I tried to count last night as I thought the winnipeg game was off as well and from my understanding of the actual "definition" I counted the pens having at least 9 HDSC's. Very well could have missed a couple. I think its pretty clear just from memory and highlights it was definitely more then 5 though haha - pens4life-66
Stats keepers in nhl arenas do not designate HDSC or SC. They only note shots, attempts, misses, blocks. High danger/scoring chances are not a statistic tracked by NHL, it is a location based formula with categories of shots using the above tracked stats that was created by Sam Ventura (the guy who works for the Penguins) on his old website War on Ice.
Despite their early record, the Ducks are kinda garbage (sans Gibson. He’s great.), but they might have something with this Kase kid. As long as he can stay healthy, that is.
He's not wrong. It was not a solid win. Did the Pens play bad? No, but did they play really well? No. Now, we'd all like to see the Pens dominate in every win, but that won't always be the case.
We have to expect most wins right now are going to be ugly and boring, but that doesn't mean the Pens should be a sieve. They can play simple in both ends of the ice and try to limit the quality chances against. - Rinosaur
I think you're gonna be disappointed looking for more out of this lineup. I thought they played well.
Consider how they played last year without any of these injuries. This was about par, while missing all of these starters.
Besides when Sid and Geno were both out long term I don't think I've ever seen this team as depleted of important players as it is now. Horny isn't 100% either.
It's gonna be Sids line producing and everyone else just treading water. Hopefully.
Stats keepers in nhl arenas do not designate HDSC or SC. They only note shots, attempts, misses, blocks. High danger/scoring chances are not a statistic tracked by NHL, it is a location based formula with categories of shots using the above tracked stats that was created by Sam Ventura (the guy who works for the Penguins) on his old website War on Ice. - j.boyd919
Im not saying those stats keepers are the ones taking them. Lots of nights you will see it come up on the screen scoring chances for both teams are being tracked live while the game is in progress. Example is that it came up on the screen last night with the pens having 4 during the game. Im sure with the definition above posted we are all thinking it was higher then 4 all game.
Despite their early record, the Ducks are kinda garbage (sans Gibson. He’s great.), but they might have something with this Kase kid. As long as he can stay healthy, that is. - Hesh_
They’re not kinda garbage, they are garbage. They have aged out aside from Gibson and a couple good young players, not to mention their D is garbage outside of Manson.
Every season three or four teams overachieve through the first 30 or so games. They’ll be fighting LA for last.
I think you're gonna be disappointed looking for more out of this lineup. I thought they played well.
Consider how they played last year without any of these injuries. This was about par, while missing all of these starters.
Besides when Sid and Geno were both out long term I don't think I've ever seen this team as depleted of important players as it is now. Horny isn't 100% either.
It's gonna be Sids line producing and everyone else just treading water. Hopefully. - Thorny87
I don’t think it’s unreasonable for this team to play very simple boring hockey, and play as a defense of unit to limit those quality chances.
Well I am glad your doctor has you on some kind of one a day regimen. Unfortunately for me it is your daily Jack Johnson bash/trash. Now he is stifling Marino. Give me a break. Do you actually attend games, or listen on the radio? Well I sit in 229 and have the goalie and defense right in front of me two periods. That being said, I see JJ’ s actions on the ice and he is not the albatross you make him out to be. He and Marino played quite well together. I suggest you invest some effort watching the other pairings, especially the overused top one, and spend some effort criticizing them. Until tomorrow....
"The best spot for him is to be on his off wing being able to seamlessly move between the right circle and the right post. This should be blatantly obvious and not doing this is a case of overthinking things for the sake of overthinking things."
Ryan I think that I and some of your other readers would appreciate you stating your opinions as opinions and not as absolute unquestionable facts. - Coburns_Nose
THIS !!
And maybe, just maybe, they're NOT playing Crosby 'where he should be' because he stands MUCH less of a chance of being concussed on the half wall. Gezuz RW, just ask Horny. And take your freaking blinders off.
A hard-fought 2-1 win at home right before a road trip on a team beat up this bad? I'll take it. GO PENS !!
Well I am glad your doctor has you on some kind of one a day regimen. Unfortunately for me it is your daily Jack Johnson bash/trash. Now he is stifling Marino. Give me a break. Do you actually attend games, or listen on the radio? Well I sit in 229 and have the goalie and defense right in front of me two periods. That being said, I see JJ’ s actions on the ice and he is not the albatross you make him out to be. He and Marino played quite well together. I suggest you invest some effort watching the other pairings, especially the overused top one, and spend some effort criticizing them. Until tomorrow.... - Vincepens
Im not saying those stats keepers are the ones taking them. Lots of nights you will see it come up on the screen scoring chances for both teams are being tracked live while the game is in progress. Example is that it came up on the screen last night with the pens having 4 during the game. Im sure with the definition above posted we are all thinking it was higher then 4 all game. - pens4life-66
Oh gotcha. I can help with this. If you see them on a broadcast, they are made up numbers. They literally make them up “oh they had 12 shots they period? I think 3 or 4 were probably scoring chances.” They are not the same scoring chances that you’ll see on Natural Stat Trick. I’ve asked guys in NHL trucks and they all tell me that
Im not saying those stats keepers are the ones taking them. Lots of nights you will see it come up on the screen scoring chances for both teams are being tracked live while the game is in progress. Example is that it came up on the screen last night with the pens having 4 during the game. Im sure with the definition above posted we are all thinking it was higher then 4 all game. - pens4life-66
Also the ones on broadcasts are likely all situations where as the 4 on NST are only at 5v5.
Well I am glad your doctor has you on some kind of one a day regimen. Unfortunately for me it is your daily Jack Johnson bash/trash. Now he is stifling Marino. Give me a break. Do you actually attend games, or listen on the radio? Well I sit in 229 and have the goalie and defense right in front of me two periods. That being said, I see JJ’ s actions on the ice and he is not the albatross you make him out to be. He and Marino played quite well together. I suggest you invest some effort watching the other pairings, especially the overused top one, and spend some effort criticizing them. Until tomorrow.... - Vincepens
Beer goggles make JJ look good just like they make MattStrats imaginary dumb girl look good.
I didn’t think Schultz-Petts were bad last night, seems like they’re trending upward despite the injuries up front
Kahun was probably an inch away from burying that puck. Even though it was the fourth game, has he buried and kept that pace of a goal every four games correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that a 20 goal pace?
As you’re well aware by now I have friends in SoCal and I do follow the Ducks but don’t take my word for it - even the NHL power rankings have the Ducks at 12th in the league. The Penguins did not make the top 16. My philosophy hasn’t changed: if you aren’t informed on something I don’t think you should have too strong an opinion on it, just my take
They’re not kinda garbage, they are garbage. They have aged out aside from Gibson and a couple good young players, not to mention their D is garbage outside of Manson.
Every season three or four teams overachieve through the first 30 or so games. They’ll be fighting LA for last. - Rinosaur
Based off what? They’re 3-1 with their loss being by one goal to the best player in the world
They have aged out? They have two players over 30 in Getzlaf and their #6 D man Holzer and they have what could be a top 5 goalie tandem in the league
Only Manson is a good D? Fowler is overrated by some but he’s not terrible. Hampus Lindholm is a top 4 defender who averages over 30 points a season. Guhle was a pretty highly touted player who has 2 apples in 4 games with a 53% CF to round out their top 4
Again, NHL power rankings have them 12th which is ahead of the Penguins. You have not made one credible argument as to why they won’t be competitive
Based off what? They’re 3-1 with their loss being by one goal to the best player in the world
They have aged out? They have two players over 30 in Getzlaf and their #6 D man Holzer and they have what could be a top 5 goalie tandem in the league
Only Manson is a good D? Fowler is overrated by some but he’s not terrible. Hampus Lindholm is a top 4 defender who averages over 30 points a season. Guhle was a pretty highly touted player who has 2 apples in 4 games with a 53% CF to round out their top 4
Again, NHL power rankings have them 12th which is ahead of the Penguins. You have not made one credible argument as to why they won’t be competitive - WSCTeton17
You seriously don’t read people’s posts, do
You?
You see what you want, focus on that and ignore all else which is clear by you referencing their start to the season which I already explained.
So go ahead, re-read, pump your breaks; study a little and try again. When I know you actually read it I’ll engage you.
