Hey buddy.

I’m not analyzing any data. I’m just enjoying fast paced entertaining winning hockey
- Der Kaiser

Exactly, Eff the fancy stats and analytics ... my eyes tell me i'm watching an entertaining brand of hockey - first time in a LONG time and i'm loving these games. I don't give a sh!t who got more ice time and who didn't, who made mistakes, or who should be in instead of whom. I know what i'm seeing and it looks great.

Not a bad take, and if not for a flagrant no=call with seconds left, Panthers leave with zero points.
- LandlordTom

Yes, they put whistles away. But if they had made the calls on all that they let go earlier in game, the score is maybe already tied by that point, or even Buffalo is the team with goalie pulled. The only thing more egregious about that non call than the others was the time left on the clock.

Wouldn’t we get more cap relief if we had assigned Bogo to LTIR? As I understand it, IR allows for a replacement roster player’s salary of lesser value to not count towards the cap, whereas LTIR takes his full contract amount off the cap.

He definitely qualifies for LTIR. The extra savings could be the difference between being able to afford a certain trade that adds slightly to team salary, or adding a rental forward at the deadline.

Am I wrong?

Wouldn’t we get more cap relief if we had assigned Bogo to LTIR? As I understand it, IR allows for a replacement roster player’s salary of lesser value to not count towards the cap, whereas LTIR takes his full contract amount off the cap.

He definitely qualifies for LTIR. The extra savings could be the difference between being able to afford a certain trade that adds slightly to team salary, or adding a rental forward at the deadline.

Am I wrong?
- Beethoven

No you’re right, I just figured he was already on LITR

Wouldn’t we get more cap relief if we had assigned Bogo to LTIR? As I understand it, IR allows for a replacement roster player’s salary of lesser value to not count towards the cap, whereas LTIR takes his full contract amount off the cap.

He definitely qualifies for LTIR. The extra savings could be the difference between being able to afford a certain trade that adds slightly to team salary, or adding a rental forward at the deadline.

Am I wrong?
- Beethoven

It's literally just a check mark in a box they have to check. You gain nothing by pushing that button before/now/later.

My point is, I believe it is a simply matter and if/when a trade involving cap ramifications comes along, the department in charge will press the button at that time. Hope this makes sense. They just don't have to put him on LTIR but can do so at Any time instantly.

On Dahlin
He had a really bad game
another dumb penalty to take us off a pp
he coasted back behind our net on a pp, which led to a turnover
his passes were off
he was letting a lot of pucks get by him and out of the attack zone

this is why he was off the ice most of the last half of the third period, nothing more, nothing less

the coach is going to play who he feels gives him the best chance to win the game

this is not a dig on dahlin, kid is 19, going to have some up and down games

we don't see practice, only the coaches do
and from what they see, they would rather have risto and mccabe on the ice at crunch time holding onto a lead


you don't play a D man 25 minutes a night if he is bad
you don't go 4-0-1 if your 25 minute a night d man is bad


dahlin will get his minutes in due time

I thought I saw a bit of miller and risto together, which I found interesting for when montour comes back
- homiedclown

Good post Homie

That's 4 penalties in 5 games for dahlin.

He will bounce back.

It's literally just a check mark in a box they have to check. You gain nothing by pushing that button before/now/later.

My point is, I believe it is a simply matter and if/when a trade involving cap ramifications comes along, the department in charge will press the button at that time. Hope this makes sense. They just don't have to put him on LTIR but can do so at Any time instantly.
- MEBSabresFAN

Thanks for explaining.

Wouldn’t we get more cap relief if we had assigned Bogo to LTIR? As I understand it, IR allows for a replacement roster player’s salary of lesser value to not count towards the cap, whereas LTIR takes his full contract amount off the cap.

He definitely qualifies for LTIR. The extra savings could be the difference between being able to afford a certain trade that adds slightly to team salary, or adding a rental forward at the deadline.

Am I wrong?
- Beethoven

There's so many misconceptions on these things. You're off on both areas.

First IR provides no salary relief at all, just opens a roster spot.

Second, LTIR does not take take a contract off the cap. It's a complex process, and even when we manipulated it almost perfectly for Hunwick, you see on Cap Friendly, that our ACSL (our effective cap) is 81,472,024, just under the 81.5m full cap. Every $ we spend over 81,472,024 counts towards our 2.25m relief pool.

If we put Bogo on LTIR at the beginning of the season, there would have been no benefit. We have the flexibility to put him on LTIR later on, and go through a new round of calculations.

I’m absolutely ecstatic with our record.

We will absolutely lose more games than we win playing those third periods going forward
- OneKaneOneCup

Why are we going to absolutely lose more than we win playing those third periods?
We gave up a two goal lead to Montreal, who finished 20 points ahead of us last year, and against Florida who finished 10 points ahead of us and added a two-time Vezina trophy winner.
Both teams predicted to finish higher than Buffalo.
and
Both games we still won.
I understand being negative to prevent yourself from being let down later in the year, but it's like you're Schleprock walking around with a rain cloud over you all the time.

They blew another 2 goal 3rd period lead while leaning on vets who have been blowing 2 goal leads for years.

It was very Housley-ish
- OneKaneOneCup

"They blew" sometimes you have to give the other team some credit. Florida had a lot of 20+ goal scorers last year, they have talent.

Hey buddy.

I’m not analyzing any data. I’m just enjoying fast paced entertaining winning hockey
- Der Kaiser

Ditto that, it has been enjoyable.

Good post Homie

That's 4 penalties in 5 games for dahlin.

He will bounce back.
- Boss34

no doubt

just don't expect him to win a lady byng trophy

"They blew" sometimes you have to give the other team some credit. Florida had a lot of 20+ goal scorers last year, they have talent.
- GilPerreault11

40 plus shots

the panthers played like a desperate team in the 3rd, and we still got 2 points

Exactly, Eff the fancy stats and analytics ... my eyes tell me i'm watching an entertaining brand of hockey - first time in a LONG time and i'm loving these games. I don't give a sh!t who got more ice time and who didn't, who made mistakes, or who should be in instead of whom. I know what i'm seeing and it looks great.
- kritter65

Fancy stats say though that the last 3 games we’ve been out chanced and out played. Obviously it’s nice to take the points but we have to be much better or were bound to regress big time just like after the 10 game streak last year.

Fancy stats say though that the last 3 games we’ve been out chanced and out played. Obviously it’s nice to take the points but we have to be much better or were bound to regress big time just like after the 10 game streak last year.
- Swedish_Jesus

Are you trying to tell me that....

If we play well and sound without giving up the lead we will win more games?

If we play poorly with the lead we will lose more often?

or

If we come back in a game to win it shows resiliency and we will win more?

I get you want the team to Always lock down ANY lead

I get that you want them to never give up and strive to have come back victories

We all want these things, if you thought we would not have weaknesses on our team you have not been paying attention. I didn't think we were a lock for Cup.

Did you?

Fancy stats say though that the last 3 games we’ve been out chanced and out played. Obviously it’s nice to take the points but we have to be much better or were bound to regress big time just like after the 10 game streak last year.
- Swedish_Jesus

I'll give you the CBus game and I would never underestimate a desperate team especially having Torts behind the bench. However, against Montreal we did out shoot them 39 to 27 and had the higher Corsi. Against Florida it was pretty even until the 3rd when Florida really put their foot on the gas. Even still the corsi was almost dead even. We won the game without relying on the PP. Our PK finally showed up killing all four of Florida's chances. And we won with only the fourth line scoring.

I understand the worries, however there are a lot of positives to take from these games.
We are top 10 in EV goals for and EV goals against. Our PP is 2nd in the league and the PK is 21st. If the PK gets back to where they were last year, this team should definitely be fighting for a playoff spot.

Are you trying to tell me that....

If we play well and sound without giving up the lead we will win more games?

If we play poorly with the lead we will lose more often?

or

If we come back in a game to win it shows resiliency and we will win more?

I get you want the team to Always lock down ANY lead

I get that you want them to never give up and strive to have come back victories

We all want these things, if you thought we would not have weaknesses on our team you have not been paying attention. I didn't think we were a lock for Cup.

Did you?
- MEBSabresFAN

No I’m just saying we have to continue to improve. I don’t think this current roster makes the playoffs, I also don’t think this team is a bottom 10 roster in the NHL either. If we are going to continue this point streak we’ll have to continue to outchance the opponent. It’s not a coincidence that the “corsi” line was responsible for 2 of our even strength goals last night.

I'll give you the CBus game and I would never underestimate a desperate team especially having Torts behind the bench. However, against Montreal we did out shoot them 39 to 27 and had the higher Corsi. Against Florida it was pretty even until the 3rd when Florida really put their foot on the gas. Even still the corsi was almost dead even. We won the game without relying on the PP. Our PK finally showed up killing all four of Florida's chances. And we won with only the fourth line scoring.

I understand the worries, however there are a lot of positives to take from these games.
We are top 10 in EV goals for and EV goals against. Our PP is 2nd in the league and the PK is 21st. If the PK gets back to where they were last year, this team should definitely be fighting for a playoff spot.
- adambuffalo

Ullmark was fantastic last night. We were getting caved in early. We had more power play opportunities and it wasn’t until our first chance on the PP where the momentum started to shift. The Refs could of easily called a few more on us.

I’m thrilled we are 4-0-1, all I’m saying is I hope we continue to see strides at even strength. I think Dallas will be a great test for us.

No I’m just saying we have to continue to improve. I don’t think this current roster makes the playoffs, I also don’t think this team is a bottom 10 roster in the NHL either.
- Swedish_Jesus

assuming it's not a top 10 roster, nor a bottom 10 roster


then they are in the 11 to 21 range, and half of those teams get in the playoffs


effort and puck luck


assuming cozens and casey eventually become second liners, the only big shake up would be to move pieces for that 1 stud d man to play long term with dahlin


or do minor surgery with the future cast offs and try to get that third line winger

assuming it's not a top 10 roster, nor a bottom 10 roster


then they are in the 11 to 21 range, and half of those teams get in the playoffs


effort and puck luck


assuming cozens and casey eventually become second liners, the only big shake up would be to move pieces for that 1 stud d man to play long term with dahlin


or do minor surgery with the future cast offs and try to get that third line winger
- homiedclown

I think Cozens ends up as 2C. Mitts either at 3C or LW in the top 6. Still need a bona fide top-6 RW, and I dont think that's Tage. That should be the priority imo

I think Cozens ends up as 2C. Mitts either at 3C or LW in the top 6. Still need a bona fide top-6 RW, and I dont think that's Tage. That should be the priority imo
- jcragcrumple

flip olofsson to the right

skinner-eichel-olofsson
casey-cozens-reinhart


top 6 for the next 5 years set in stone

I think Cozens ends up as 2C. Mitts either at 3C or LW in the top 6. Still need a bona fide top-6 RW, and I dont think that's Tage. That should be the priority imo
- jcragcrumple

Thompson with 14 points in 13 Rochester games. Apparently was very good last night. He will be an NHL player it’s just a matter of he has enough to be a 2nd line winger or if he’s 3rd line winger.

assuming it's not a top 10 roster, nor a bottom 10 roster


then they are in the 11 to 21 range, and half of those teams get in the playoffs


effort and puck luck


assuming cozens and casey eventually become second liners, the only big shake up would be to move pieces for that 1 stud d man to play long term with dahlin


or do minor surgery with the future cast offs and try to get that third line winger
- homiedclown

I mean it’s been 5 games, anything can happen. Even the fancy stats are using an extremely small sample size. If I was a betting man I’d say we are picking in the 11-15 range of the draft but I also didn’t see the Hurricanes or Isles doing what they did last year either. Anything can happen, just gotta hope they continue to improve and take it day by day.

I mean it’s been 5 games, anything can happen. Even the fancy stats are using an extremely small sample size. If I was a betting man I’d say we are picking in the 11-15 range of the draft but I also didn’t see the Hurricanes or Isles doing what they did last year either. Anything can happen, just gotta hope they continue to improve and take it day by day.
- Swedish_Jesus

I think the hurricanes are legit

top 2 team in their division

Thompson with 14 points in 13 Rochester games. Apparently was very good last night. He will be an NHL player it’s just a matter of he has enough to be a 2nd line winger or if he’s 3rd line winger.
- Swedish_Jesus

I see him as a 3rd line PP2 guy if he can straighten out his d game