The thing i like about Carsen is the way he plays and the role he is playing. 3rd 4th line minutes, the kid skates and takes the body, drives the net. For that role he can handle it better than frost/farabee with their lighter weights. I would not want either of them playing 4th line minutes and riding the pine due to a mistake. Let them play all situations and gain confidence in the ahl. Farabee may be a option if he continues to play the way he is, but to me there is no need to rush the process.

When/if patrick returns bunnaman will go down. improving our bottom 6 even more. (on paper anyways).

It seems like everyone thinks farabee will be the next call up. I would put money on it being Gabriel. and when it happens everyone will freak out. That or that is when stewart will be signed.
- Peter Richards

How about instead of money, you just don't post here for a month if the next callup isn't Gabriel?

It's all relative. The team has to constantly evolve. I know trading Schenn had negatives. It affected the team the last two years. That and moving Simmer took 50 plus goals a year from the line up. The key for moving guys is doing it when there is demand, like Schenn as opposed to the Simmer trade. That being said, since I get MSG and have watched all the Devils games, I would rather have Pitick at 1 million per this year than Simmer at 5 mil. I love Simmer but it was time to move on.
At this point I am dying to see Farabee and Frost and I want them more than Schenn at 6 mil plus. FOR 8 FREAKING YEARS.
- jaws1955

I don't think you're considering all the conditions. If the Flyers are looking to move JVR in a few years, it's not going to be from a position of strength. They'll be trying to move a 30+ player with a high cap hit that is no longer in their plans. Not the same thing as the Schenn move.

G's line has been dominating in the shot share, generated near 30 scoring chances so far, but have scored 0 ES goals. It's not a matter of them playing poorly as a line as much as unsustainable bad luck. Posts, shanking shots, huge saves, etc. G should have 3-4 goals by himself.
- Tomahawk

I don’t disagree, but I also see a bit of timing off and passing slightly off and other small things that look like chemistry isn’t there. Effort most definitely is there. Could it suddenly work? Sure. I just don’t like “unlucky” to fester too long.

welinski on wavier paves the way to sign stewart

welinski on wavier paves the way to sign stewart
- 2Real

plan the parade!

This crossed my mind. I call any line centered by Coots L1, but it’s not very important...I don’t want to offend (as I’m a G supporter myself) and pointing this out can bring out those 3C folks.
- NC Flyers Fan

Coots is just so freaking good. What a shut down player....lol
People are saying he was invisible last game. First of all, on Lindbloms goal, Coots brought the puck up, dished to Nicky for the zone entry and drove the net taking two d men with him. That opened the drop pass lane from Nicky and opened the lane for Tks pass across to Oskar. Oh yeah he was right in the goalies face for a screen on the shot.
No less then three times, 3, FREAKING 3 TIMES, I was watching the d play. I said which of our d on this pair is the only D man back in the zone? Guess what. NONE three times Coots was the only guy back. Thats why TK can do what he does. Thats why the d can jump the play. Coots AND Hayes have both been great defensively. Against the Devils in the first period, Simmer was wide open for a one timer from 15 feet out. Hayes arrived to lift his stick at the same time as the puck. Play heads the other way. It's great to see this

I don't think you're considering all the conditions. If the Flyers are looking to move JVR in a few years, it's not going to be from a position of strength. They'll be trying to move a 30+ player with a high cap hit that is no longer in their plans. Not the same thing as the Schenn move.
- MJL

Again it's relative. JVR is in year 2 of a 5 year deal. I see him gone now later then the end of next year. He pots 30 plus this year and next there will be a demand for a 30 goal scorer with 2 years left on his deal. May not be a huge return but some of that is moving money. I don't think we get a first rounder perhaps but when you have extra 2nd and 3rd round picks you can move up in the draft. The maneuvering has worked well recently. See TK, Brink, Radcliff. Can through Frost in although that was moving a player for the pick plus Farabee.
It has also provided 2 picks in the first round in four of the last five years if I remember correctly. Just the Rubstov draft was 1 pick and Hexy traded down to what? Get another pick.

Again it's relative. JVR is in year 2 of a 5 year deal. I see him gone now later then the end of next year. He pots 30 plus this year and next there will be a demand for a 30 goal scorer with 2 years left on his deal. May not be a huge return but some of that is moving money. I don't think we get a first rounder perhaps but when you have extra 2nd and 3rd round picks you can move up in the draft. The maneuvering has worked well recently. See TK, Brink, Radcliff. Can through Frost in although that was moving a player for the pick plus Farabee.
It has also provided 2 picks in the first round in four of the last five years if I remember correctly. Just the Rubstov draft was 1 pick and Hexy traded down to what? Get another pick.
- jaws1955

You keep saying it's all relative while not looking at everything. If JVR is still playing at that level and scoring goals, why are they looking to trade him? Is it not a possibility that the Flyers may be looking to move on from him because he is declining and is no longer a 30 goal player?

Again it's relative. JVR is in year 2 of a 5 year deal. I see him gone now later then the end of next year. He pots 30 plus this year and next there will be a demand for a 30 goal scorer with 2 years left on his deal. May not be a huge return but some of that is moving money. I don't think we get a first rounder perhaps but when you have extra 2nd and 3rd round picks you can move up in the draft. The maneuvering has worked well recently. See TK, Brink, Radcliff. Can through Frost in although that was moving a player for the pick plus Farabee.
It has also provided 2 picks in the first round in four of the last five years if I remember correctly. Just the Rubstov draft was 1 pick and Hexy traded down to what? Get another pick.
- jaws1955

No point worrying about JVR till we see who the Flyers lose in the 2021 ED.

You keep saying it's all relative while not looking at everything. If JVR is still playing at that level and scoring goals, why are they looking to trade him? Is it not a possibility that the Flyers may be looking to move on from him because he is declining and is no longer a 30 goal player?
- MJL

Why, yes it is. Could it also be possible that he is playing well but they are looking to move 7 mil and bring up, say Allison, Rattcliff, Frost, Farabee..etc?
Btw, when they signed JVR I looked at that as a 3 year deal at most.
Goes back to an earlier point. You have to move them when the have value. Schenn still did, Simmer, not so much. Yet Simmer had scored just short of 90 goals the last 3 years. In hind sight, Hexy should have moved him the same time as Schenn. He was coming off a thirty goal season.

No point worrying about JVR till we see who the Flyers lose in the 2021 ED.
- Feanor

Going to lose a good player there. Can't be a good team and not lose a good player. I would rather it be a high priced vet rather than a young guy.

Why, yes it is. Could it also be possible that he is playing well but they are looking to move 7 mil and bring up, say Allison, Rattcliff, Frost, Farabee..etc?
Btw, when they signed JVR I looked at that as a 3 year deal at most.
Goes back to an earlier point. You have to move them when the have value. Schenn still did, Simmer, not so much. Yet Simmer had scored just short of 90 goals the last 3 years. In hind sight, Hexy should have moved him the same time as Schenn. He was coming off a thirty goal season.
- jaws1955

I think it's an obvious and normal progression to move out older players to bring in younger players. If your point is that you have to move players when they have value is true, which I think it is, then the Flyers should be looking to trade JVR right now. We know they won't because of the management mandate that Fletcher is under. You cant operate from the utopia of they'll just move these players when younger players are ready without considering the cost. Such as having to take contracts back or players that they don't want to make deals work. They had to take Lehtera to make the Schenn deal work. This is the potential danger of operating as the Flyers are now. Up against the cap without a lot of easy flexibility. No doubt they look to be improved but to what end?

I think it's an obvious and normal progression to move out older players to bring in younger players. If your point is that you have to move players when they have value is true, which I think it is, then the Flyers should be looking to trade JVR right now. We know they won't because of the management mandate that Fletcher is under. You cant operate from the utopia of they'll just move these players when younger players are ready without considering the cost. Such as having to take contracts back or players that they don't want to make deals work. They had to take Lehtera to make the Schenn deal work. This is the potential danger of operating as the Flyers are now. Up against the cap without a lot of easy flexibility. No doubt they look to be improved but to what end?
- MJL

I can live with JVR moving this year.
It's seems when Patrick is back they are 1 good forward short. Pitlick could work there and I like what I've seen of him so far, but I think he is better suited for the fourth line. I'd like to see Farabee there WITH JVR still here.
I know you think they jumped the timetable here and the young guys haven't played in the NHL yet but damn, there are soooo many good, young guys in the system, most are high draft pics.
The mandate is to win now or at least soon. They are tight on the cap. I believe though, that if Jake and/or JVR don't produce something soon, there could be some trade action. I don't have a good feel for Fletcher on this yet. Can't really use Minnesota as I'm going to assume he has learned a thing or 2. Going to be an interesting season.

I can live with JVR moving this year.
It's seems when Patrick is back they are 1 good forward short. Pitlick could work there and I like what I've seen of him so far, but I think he is better suited for the fourth line. I'd like to see Farabee there WITH JVR still here.
I know you think they jumped the timetable here and the young guys haven't played in the NHL yet but damn, there are soooo many good, young guys in the system, most are high draft pics.
The mandate is to win now or at least soon. They are tight on the cap. I believe though, that if Jake and/or JVR don't produce something soon, there could be some trade action. I don't have a good feel for Fletcher on this yet. Can't really use Minnesota as I'm going to assume he has learned a thing or 2. Going to be an interesting season.
- jaws1955

So do you think with the mandate to win now that they're going to trade JVR or Voracek for pieces of the future or to try and win now? It's not about what anyone can live with it's about the reality of the situation. When and if the Flyers try and move older players to make room for younger players, they're likely going to have to pay some kind of price for it.

I can live with JVR moving this year.
It's seems when Patrick is back they are 1 good forward short. Pitlick could work there and I like what I've seen of him so far, but I think he is better suited for the fourth line. I'd like to see Farabee there WITH JVR still here.
I know you think they jumped the timetable here and the young guys haven't played in the NHL yet but damn, there are soooo many good, young guys in the system, most are high draft pics.
The mandate is to win now or at least soon. They are tight on the cap. I believe though, that if Jake and/or JVR don't produce something soon, there could be some trade action. I don't have a good feel for Fletcher on this yet. Can't really use Minnesota as I'm going to assume he has learned a thing or 2. Going to be an interesting season.
- jaws1955

Team looks very different agree
But they are in very dangerous situation with so many expensive player with little upside compared to last season. 28,93,13,11, 25

Team looks very different agree
But they are in very dangerous situation with so many expensive player with little upside compared to last season. 28,93,13,11, 25
- goenzoy

Uh, what? One # is not like the others. One listed number is producing at career-high levels...they all have enormous upside.

So do you think with the mandate to win now that they're going to trade JVR or Voracek for pieces of the future or to try and win now? It's not about what anyone can live with it's about the reality of the situation. When and if the Flyers try and move older players to make room for younger players, they're likely going to have to pay some kind of price for it.
- MJL

It's a tough call.
In a perfect world a younger player with similar production can move into a roster spot vacated by a traded player. We are looking at this as a long term situation as fans. We will be here long term.
Random thought. Are the GMs not really concerned with giving out 6,7 & 8 years deals because they figure they will be gone by then.
We can debate who to trade, when and for what return. However our thoughts don't matter. We are going to have to wait on Fletch.
I would prefer internal moves at this point. These guys have the potential to be pretty good this year. If we learned nothing else, this past year as well as 2010 that if you get in the playoffs, anything can happen.

Uh, what? One # is not like the others. One listed number is producing at career-high levels...they all have enormous upside.
- NC Flyers Fan

Jake has been rather disappointing for quite a while. So in that sense, there is upside.

On a different note, watching NHL look in on the Devils and PK just lost Trochek in front for a tip in. Just like that a 4_1 lead turns into 4_4. Love it.. Stevens is really ripping on Subban. Rangers choked Saturday against the Oilers. Isles don't look to hot either. The division is wide open. Canes look strong but goaltending will fail them.

Jake has been rather disappointing for quite a while. So in that sense, there is upside.
- LW2530

That would be incorrect. Jake has 20 plus goals in like 6 of the last 7 seasons and he passes first. I'll take his 60 to 70 points a year.

Random thought. Are the GMs not really concerned with giving out 6,7 & 8 years deals because they figure they will be gone by then.
We can debate who to trade, when and for what return. However our thoughts don't matter. We are going to have to wait on Fletch.
I would prefer internal moves at this point. These guys have the potential to be pretty good this year. If we learned nothing else, this past year as well as 2010 that if you get in the playoffs, anything can happen.
- jaws1955

Absolutely. Fletcher was given a mandate. From that perspective, he has done a solid job to this point. There is no debating that.

On a different note, watching NHL look in on the Devils and PK just lost Trochek in front for a tip in. Just like that a 4_1 lead turns into 4_4. Love it.. Stevens is really ripping on Subban. Rangers choked Saturday against the Oilers. Isles don't look to hot either. The division is wide open. Canes look strong but goaltending will fail them.
- jaws1955

and now they're losing.

That would be incorrect. Jake has 20 plus goals in like 6 of the last 7 seasons and he passes first. I'll take his 60 to 70 points a year.
- jaws1955

8.5 mil a year for 20 goals/65 points? That's what you call good value?

8.5 mil a year for 20 goals/65 points? That's what you call good value?
- LW2530

He's also had a couple of 80 point seasons.