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Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Split rock, Nipigon River., ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 14 @ 11:44 AM ET
Absolutely done. 100%. I'll see you and raise you, if you can get Burn and Roger to agree (to the 40 game mark), if I'm right (outside top 6), you take them clowns with you and if you're right, i won't post EVER passed to 40 game mark until I'm dead.

How do we remember this?

- walshyleafsfan

I mean, I could..

But I wouldn’t do this.. Make him offer the same. I think Santo could give more in this bet.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Oct 14 @ 11:46 AM ET
Igor Eronko
@IgorEronko
·
25m
Per @plysenkov
Kyle Dubas had meetings with Mikhail Grigorenko and Nikita Nesterov while being in Russia. Both will be UFAs next year #LeafsForever
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Split rock, Nipigon River., ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Oct 14 @ 11:46 AM ET
I dont call being up 3-2 and losing a game 7 being run out.
the games were much closer and imo, its really the the pp/pk that decided the series. and the Leafs goalie...stinking a few up in game 7

Kadri doing exactly what you want...hurt the team..even if you want to package it and put it in a different box so you can continue your point

- senstroll

Kadri got them to the playoffs the first two times. No way Matthews was shutting down Sid, McDavid, O’Reilly...
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Oct 14 @ 11:48 AM ET
How long? They have an entirely new PP coach who has clearly changed things up plus a entirely new 2PP which was awful before.

It’s been 6 games and you are already complaining saying the PP sucks...come back to us at game 40 and see where their PP lies.

In fact, I’ll bet you it’s top 6 in the league by then. And if I am right you can’t come back on here until playoffs and if you are right I won’t.

- Santo_44


so...

in your esteemed wisdom (?) ... how many games - what percentage of the season is sufficient to begin to measure the results?

I don't know about you... but for me the 2pts you get for a win are exactly the same value in October as they are in March. How many you want to let get away when you should be building confidence WHEN ITS EASIER in October?

just a rhetorical question..


'cause someone told me I should move on.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Oct 14 @ 11:50 AM ET
Igor Eronko
@IgorEronko
·
25m
Per @plysenkov
Kyle Dubas had meetings with Mikhail Grigorenko and Nikita Nesterov while being in Russia. Both will be UFAs next year #LeafsForever

- GreatGigInTheSky



Freakorenko!!
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Oct 14 @ 11:51 AM ET
Igor Eronko
@IgorEronko
·
25m
Per @plysenkov
Kyle Dubas had meetings with Mikhail Grigorenko and Nikita Nesterov while being in Russia. Both will be UFAs next year #LeafsForever

- GreatGigInTheSky


I don't believe this... Freakorenko is too tall... now way Dubas signs that guy... and there's no way Dubas negotiates with more than one player at a time.

burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Oct 14 @ 11:57 AM ET
Marincin with holl.

GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Oct 14 @ 11:57 AM ET
what was wrong with the hit on Sandin?
- senstroll


I watched the game at the pub so I couldn't see it entirely but it looked like an elbow and he was hit in the head.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Oct 14 @ 12:01 PM ET
so...

in your esteemed wisdom (?) ... how many games - what percentage of the season is sufficient to begin to measure the results?

I don't know about you... but for me the 2pts you get for a win are exactly the same value in October as they are in March. How many you want to let get away when you should be building confidence WHEN ITS EASIER in October?

just a rhetorical question..


'cause someone told me I should move on.

- BorjeFan4Ever


Uhm. Want your answer?

Go look at the PP% for each team.

Tell me, are those 3 teams going to keep those 40% PPs?

How about the 7 teams over 30%?

I mean TB was the highest last year with 27%.

So there is your answer, the numbers are horribly skewed over a 6 game time span.

It’s why you don’t just pick a random 6 game span out of last years results for a team and seriously use it as a way to evaluate a team.

I could probably go and pick a 5 game span last season where TB had a 5% PP. should I use that as an evaluation for how good their PP is? Absolutely not, 5 games is an incredibly low sample size.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Oct 14 @ 12:04 PM ET
Freakorenko!!
- burn


How (frank)ing hilarious would it be if the Leafs actually signed him and by some miracle actually became a good player. Garf would (frank)ing die.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Oct 14 @ 12:07 PM ET
poop. Hjalmarsson is gonna miss around three months with a cracked fibula.

They should trade for Marincin.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:12 PM ET
I dont call being up 3-2 and losing a game 7 being run out.
the games were much closer and imo, its really the the pp/pk that decided the series. and the Leafs goalie...stinking a few up in game 7

Kadri doing exactly what you want...hurt the team..even if you want to package it and put it in a different box so you can continue your point

- senstroll



I was referring to them getting run out in the Game 7.

you have your new world order view of this stuff, I have my more balanced less fake wrestling view of his stuff.

if you believe that emotions and context don't carry over from playoff game to another that's fine, I have a different opinion.

they got run out in Game 7 partly - and I would say significantly - because they didn't and could not respond to what Boston did physically - and because the vaunted "we'll get them with the power play" power play DIDN'T. There PK couldn't stop a pee wee team that game BECAUSE THEY WERE WORN OUT and Boston actually learned how to outplay them in those games.

but we should move on

BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:13 PM ET
poop. Hjalmarsson is gonna miss around three months with a cracked fibula.

They should trade for Marincin.

- GreatGigInTheSky


Leafs should just give them Marincin.

but no "take-backs"
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Oct 14 @ 12:17 PM ET
I mean, I could..

But I wouldn’t do this.. Make him offer the same. I think Santo could give more in this bet.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Yep. I'm down with this. You could be the ref.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:18 PM ET
Uhm. Want your answer?

Go look at the PP% for each team.

Tell me, are those 3 teams going to keep those 40% PPs?

How about the 7 teams over 30%?

I mean TB was the highest last year with 27%.

So there is your answer, the numbers are horribly skewed over a 6 game time span.

It’s why you don’t just pick a random 6 game span out of last years results for a team and seriously use it as a way to evaluate a team.

I could probably go and pick a 5 game span last season where TB had a 5% PP. should I use that as an evaluation for how good their PP is? Absolutely not, 5 games is an incredibly low sample size.

- Santo_44



do you know what rhetorical means? (sorry I'm being rude assuming everyone does)

and you didn't answer the question that I was asking anyway... which leads me to believe that there are some cognitive issues here...


I'm quoting here...
how many games - what percentage of the season is sufficient to begin to measure the results?

or put more simply

h o w m a n y g a m e s i s g o o d s a m p l e s i z e ?
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:20 PM ET
Yep. I'm down with this. You could be the ref.
- walshyleafsfan


no refs allowed... that would mean people would have to form judgements
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 14 @ 12:21 PM ET
I was referring to them getting run out in the Game 7.

you have your new world order view of this stuff, I have my more balanced less fake wrestling few of his stuff.

if you believe that emotions and context don't carry over from playoff game to another that's fine, I have a different opinion.

they got run out in Game 7 partly - and I would say significantly - because they didn't and could not respond to what Boston did physically - and because the vaunted "we'll get them with the power play" power play DIDN'T. There PK couldn't stop a pee wee team that game BECAUSE THEY WERE WORN OUT and Boston actually learned how to outplay them in those games.

but we should move on


- BorjeFan4Ever


I would say Anderson letting in a stinker for the 1st goal a big problem. to that point the shots were even and the play was pretty even. then the 3-1 goal was another weak stinker. When teams are that evenly matched...your goalie cant mess up at all.

BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:21 PM ET
How (frank)ing hilarious would it be if the Leafs actually signed him and by some miracle actually became a good player. Garf would (frank)ing die.
- GreatGigInTheSky


the blogs/articles would be hilarious
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:23 PM ET
Marincin with holl.


- burn


I told you Bablord would put Marincin back in there at the first opportunity




senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 14 @ 12:24 PM ET
do you know what rhetorical means? (sorry I'm being rude assuming everyone does)

and you didn't answer the question that I was asking anyway... which leads me to believe that there are some cognitive issues here...


I'm quoting here...
how many games - what percentage of the season is sufficient to begin to measure the results?

or put more simply

h o w m a n y g a m e s i s g o o d s a m p l e s i z e ?

- BorjeFan4Ever


I think in the NHL, its something like 60 games before you can start to see true talent results overall.

Hockey is by far the least predictable and random compared to the other major sports.

I get that the start of a season is a official point to look at things.. but the first 6 games are no different than a 6 game span in the middle..there is little overall meaning in regards to the season
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Oct 14 @ 12:24 PM ET
I told you Bablord would put Marincin back in there at the first opportunity





- BorjeFan4Ever

Dubas giving Babcock his "toys" back. They're in cahoots i tells ya.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:26 PM ET
I would say Anderson letting in a stinker for the 1st goal a big problem. to that point the shots were even and the play was pretty even. then the 3-1 goal was another weak stinker. When teams are that evenly matched...your goalie cant mess up at all.
- senstroll


so... I'll read between the lines here...


a goalie lets in a bad goal and it deflates the team?

what if a guy gets a big hit?
of the PowerPlay scores a very timely goal?
or a PK gets a big kill?

all things that build positive emotion right?











what about standing up for a team mate? (Nope that's total bull shyte)
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Oct 14 @ 12:28 PM ET
so... I'll read between the lines here...


a goalie lets in a bad goal and it deflates the team?

what if a guy gets a big hit?
of the PowerPlay scores a very timely goal?
or a PK gets a big kill?

all things that build positive emotion right?










what about standing up for a team mate? (Nope that's total bull shyte)

- BorjeFan4Ever


I would say goals help you win, so I would concede that scoring affects the outcome
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:28 PM ET
I think in the NHL, its something like 60 games before you can start to see true talent results overall.

Hockey is by far the least predictable and random compared to the other major sports.

I get that the start of a season is a official point to look at things.. but the first 6 games are no different than a 6 game span in the middle..there is little overall meaning in regards to the season

- senstroll


well.... 60 games is your answer-

all I can say to that is "interesting"

I'm no pro coach... but I'm guessing here, maybe reaching... if my team's PP or PK sucked or under performed for 3/4 of the season and I was seen to not do anything about it... I might be unemployed by the 40 game mark.

but that's just me.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Oct 14 @ 12:29 PM ET
Dubas giving Babcock his "toys" back. They're in cahoots i tells ya.
- walshyleafsfan


and if they lose the next game, Babcock sits Holl and plays Marincin with Gravel.
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