If they waived Erod and brought up Tage, think they would actually gain a million in cap space

SV% is a pretty reliable stat though. Carter Hutton for the past six years for example:

.910
.902
.918
.913
.931 Career year on a super defensive team
.908 On a disaster sabres team

Average is 913, so even factoring in his career year, he was only five points lower on a 'bad' team. Flip that and maybe he is back up around 915-918 or so.

Currently he's at 931. I really don't see him being able to maintain that.

Ullmark is career average of 911 and he is also at 931 through just two starts, but there is more potential there that he could actually finish the season around .920-.925 if he makes a big improvement.
- matty12345

And if he allows two goals yesterday his % would be .911. The Sabres still win 4-2. And there’s one less thing to nitpick about their success being a mirage.

Stats are great. But the only stat that matters is win/loss. I am all for stats and advanced stats and Corsi and all that, but they need to be used as an ancillary tool to rate performance, not the primary tool.

This is why Risto is considered garbage by so many fans here. Because they choose which stats they want to select to be the be all and end all of the discussion. +/- is a good stat. But it doesn’t tell you anything about a player on a good team versus a player on a bad team.

Ryan O’Reilly was a -23 in 2017-18 with the Sabres. Last year he was a +22.

Does that mean he was a bad player when in buffalo and suddenly a good player in STL?

No offense against you, I think you are a good poster and generally positive. But I am so sick of people cherry picking stats to back up their arguments. Do stats mean something? Yes. Do stats mean everything? No.

If they waived Erod and brought up Tage, think they would actually gain a million in cap space
- Buff36

Only if he were claimed. If he just went to Roch, they'd save 150k.

Only if he were claimed. If he just went to Roch, they'd save 150k.
- Lunaion

Thanks, I thought they could bury his cap hit in Roch

And if he allows two goals yesterday his % would be .911. The Sabres still win 4-2. And there’s one less thing to nitpick about their success being a mirage.

Stats are great. But the only stat that matters is win/loss. I am all for stats and advanced stats and Corsi and all that, but they need to be used as an ancillary tool to rate performance, not the primary tool.

This is why Risto is considered garbage by so many fans here. Because they choose which stats they want to select to be the be all and end all of the discussion. +/- is a good stat. But it doesn’t tell you anything about a player on a good team versus a player on a bad team.

Ryan O’Reilly was a -23 in 2017-18 with the Sabres. Last year he was a +22.

Does that mean he was a bad player when in buffalo and suddenly a good player in STL?

No offense against you, I think you are a good poster and generally positive. But I am so sick of people cherry picking stats to back up their arguments. Do stats mean something? Yes. Do stats mean everything? No.
- Beethoven

When it comes to Risto, the advanced stats are overwhelmingly bad. There's no cherry picking involved and it has nothing to do with +/-.

RoR had good advanced stats, despite a bad +/-. There's really no comparison between the 2.

When it comes to Risto, the advanced stats are overwhelmingly bad. There's no cherry picking involved and it has nothing to do with +/-.

RoR had good advanced stats, despite a bad +/-. There's really no comparison between the 2.
- Lunaion

I see you don’t get my point.

But that may be my fault for not expressing it well.

I see you don’t get my point.

But that may be my fault for not expressing it well.
- Beethoven

Not going to rant for pages on Risto, there's plenty of people who enjoy that more than I do, but you clearly said that the people critical of him are cherry picking advanced stats and compared him to RoR. That's just not accurate.

Not going to rant for pages on Risto, there's plenty of people who enjoy that more than I do, but you clearly said that the people critical of him are cherry picking advanced stats and compared him to RoR. That's just not accurate.
- Lunaion

How about hits? Leads the team every year. Probably top 30 in the league without looking.
How about points? 40 a year for a defenseman, not bad!
How about minutes against the opponent’s top lines? Leads the team.
How about giveaways? Looks like he averages about 20 less a year than Hedman.
How about blocked shots? Looks like he averages more a year than Hedman.

It is cherry picking. You make up your mind what you want to show, and then look for stats to back it up.

After some thought, I believe Bogo is the man out. Probably not going to get anything in return (mid-late round pick 4-6 range) and might need to retain some $.

On his last year, and doesn't fit the current/future mold for this team.

After some thought, I believe Bogo is the man out. Probably not going to get anything in return (mid-late round pick 4-6 range) and might need to retain some $.

On his last year, and doesn't fit the current/future mold for this team.
- Sabre_Tooth

Why cant he just develop an allergy to his equipment and go out with dignity

So is risto good now?

Asking for a friend

So is risto good now?

Asking for a friend
- homiedclown

Have you heard anything more about what the sabres plan to do with the defensive log jam?

and yes I like risto

Why cant he just develop an allergy to his equipment and go out with dignity
- Shadman306

cause we can get a pick

So is risto good now?

Asking for a friend
- homiedclown

According to me he has always been good. I have stats to back it up.

And if he allows two goals yesterday his % would be .911. The Sabres still win 4-2. And there’s one less thing to nitpick about their success being a mirage.

Stats are great. But the only stat that matters is win/loss. I am all for stats and advanced stats and Corsi and all that, but they need to be used as an ancillary tool to rate performance, not the primary tool.

This is why Risto is considered garbage by so many fans here. Because they choose which stats they want to select to be the be all and end all of the discussion. +/- is a good stat. But it doesn’t tell you anything about a player on a good team versus a player on a bad team.

Ryan O’Reilly was a -23 in 2017-18 with the Sabres. Last year he was a +22.

Does that mean he was a bad player when in buffalo and suddenly a good player in STL?

No offense against you, I think you are a good poster and generally positive. But I am so sick of people cherry picking stats to back up their arguments. Do stats mean something? Yes. Do stats mean everything? No.
- Beethoven

Well, I'm just saying there are some parallels to last year and some differences. I think it's fair to say their goaltending has been really good to this point, and probably will come back to the mean, at least for a known commodity like Hutton. That's not cherry picking stats at all.

What is manipulating stats is to try to hide two goals in the third period of a blowout game and then claim save percentage isn't a useful indicator. I could just as easily put those goals in an overtime game and take two points away. That's not how stats work though. You have to view them over a sample large enough to matter, and when viewing a small sample like 6 games, you have to assume they will regress to a more reasonable number.

So is risto good now?

Asking for a friend
- homiedclown

he’s always been good, think about all the crap he has played with his entire career here... there have been so many defenseman that had no business playing in the nhl. When you feel like you have to do everything it gets old weather is hockey, accounting, or collecting garbage.

So is risto good now?

Asking for a friend
- homiedclown

The Risto truthers still think he's good. He's still big and throws some good hits. He still plays 24 minutes a night and kills penalties. He still draws tough assignments. And the team is winning.

The Risto haters still think he sucks. He and McCabe have been on the ice for as many 5v5 goals as the other two pairs combined, and his point production has dried up now that he's not on the PP, like people said it would.

Status quo.

Well, I'm just saying there are some parallels to last year and some differences. I think it's fair to say their goaltending has been really good to this point, and probably will come back to the mean, at least for a known commodity like Hutton. That's not cherry picking stats at all.

What is manipulating stats is to try to hide two goals in the third period of a blowout game and then claim save percentage isn't a useful indicator. I could just as easily put those goals in an overtime game and take two points away. That's not how stats work though. You have to view them over a sample large enough to matter, and when viewing a small sample like 6 games, you have to assume they will regress to a more reasonable number.
- matty12345

Fair enough. But if two goals is what it takes at this point to regress to the mean. The argument that our goaltending being a difference doesn’t go far with me.

Hutton:
Vs PIT .966
Vs NJD .900
Vs MON .852
Vs DAL 1.000

I could hide two goals in three out of those four and we still walk away with points. The only game that I couldn’t hide two goals Hutton had a .852

I am just saying, with 101 shots against, the difference between .931 and .911 isn’t huge. And we would in all likelihood be sitting pretty close to the top of the standings if his save percentage was .911

Not trying to pick a fight, again, I respect you from what I’ve seen of you and your posts. I am just defending this team as being good despite goaltending, despite power play.

After some thought, I believe Bogo is the man out. Probably not going to get anything in return (mid-late round pick 4-6 range) and might need to retain some $.

On his last year, and doesn't fit the current/future mold for this team.
- Sabre_Tooth

There is a chance he does not play the entire season due to his injury, so it may not be an issue.

So is risto good now?

Asking for a friend
- homiedclown

Good enough to acquire a 2C/2RW.

Please no lineup changes and ride Hutton until they lose
- hubie

Ullmark will get one of the next two games.

So is risto good now?

Asking for a friend
- homiedclown

Fear the Finn

There is a chance he does not play the entire season due to his injury, so it may not be an issue.
- kingcong39

True, what happens with Pilut and Montour is the more immediate ???

Fair enough. But if two goals is what it takes at this point to regress to the mean. The argument that our goaltending being a difference doesn’t go far with me.

Hutton:
Vs PIT .966
Vs NJD .900
Vs MON .852
Vs DAL 1.000

I could hide two goals in three out of those four and we still walk away with points. The only game that I couldn’t hide two goals Hutton had a .852

I am just saying, with 101 shots against, the difference between .931 and .911 isn’t huge. And we would in all likelihood be sitting pretty close to the top of the standings if his save percentage was .911

Not trying to pick a fight, again, I respect you from what I’ve seen of you and your posts. I am just defending this team as being good despite goaltending, despite power play.
- Beethoven

Okay, that's fair. Really with goalies there is only a couple basic stats, so save percentage is a good way of saying I think the goalies have been good. You are right that the numbers are a bit meaningless so far, but in this case numbers= eye test in that the goaltending is good.

Can they be good all year? They both really came unravelled last year. Hutton in particular was unglued in a lot of post games. I need to see both of them be more consistent this year than last year. Only time will tell.

True, what happens with Pilut and Montour is the more immediate ???
- turbo044

Pilut will go down to Rochester.